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    Post by fcb Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:13 am

    Chelsea aren't giving up...their offer now is 36m euros Yikes
    http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/1a_division/real_madrid/es/desarrollo/1157018.html

    Personally, I don't see what he's done in Europe that you should be making a profit on him, but again, I'd take the money and run. Interestingly, this is the same as what you paid for Robben.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:04 pm

    kas wrote:Chelsea aren't giving up...their offer now is 36m euros Yikes
    http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/1a_division/real_madrid/es/desarrollo/1157018.html

    Personally, I don't see what he's done in Europe that you should be making a profit on him, but again, I'd take the money and run. Interestingly, this is the same as what you paid for Robben.

    It's to the point now, if I were Mijatovic, I would be giving it some serious consideration. I think it's clear that Robinho isn't happy with the situation and I don't think there is any point to keeping him if his mind is in Chelsea. We would need to have a plan for some kind of replacement but 36m....
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    Post by TM Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:43 pm

    Bernd Schuster is said to be eager to land another striker before the transfer window closes. Ewan Macdonald agrees with the Madrid coach that Calderón and Mijatovic must move quickly for a forward...

    With the Ronaldo saga mercifully dead and buried, the Madrid press need another transfer drama. And with Robinho's own story drawing to a close, it's now all about the striking situation at Real Madrid.

    Received wisdom is that coach Bernd Schuster, tiring of having just three/four recognised forwards at his disposal, has asked sporting director Pedja Mijatovic to find him a new forward solution.

    But some have controversially suggested that Mijatovic has little intention of sounding out a new addition for this summer. President Ramón Calderón, after all, has declared the market closed after the shrewd acquisition of Rafael van der Vaart, and Mijatovic may thus set his sights towards possible arrivals next summer.

    But assuming that Schuster has not been misrepresented, I think that he's spot on to ask his president to reconsider. Let's look at a few reasons.

    The Numbers Game

    Simply put, Madrid don't have many forwards. In fact last season the evergreen duo of Ruud van Nistelrooy and Raúl comprised the majority of appearances: Raúl played all but one Liga game, while Ruud managed half in the league and more in Europe.

    Of course there is nothing wrong with that - quite the opposite. It shows stability in the line-up, and as long as the partnership worked - and it generally did - then there was little need to tinker. What's more, it's testament to the pair's longevity that they could manage such rigours despite being on the wrong side of thirty.

    But when Ruud was out, problems arose in that there was no replacement in whom Schuster could place his trust. Soldado, sickened on the sidelines, was clearly regarded as a sort of kid brother to the squad despite being told in summer that he was eligible for selection. (He's since left for Getafe.) Javier Saviola, meanwhile, started just five Liga games all season, and Gonzalo Higuaín a mere seven.

    When we look at Higuaín we find the crux of the issue: when Schuster didn't have his regular two forwards available, often he wouldn't use two forwards at all. Instead he'd revert to a 4-2-3-1, pushing Higuaín out to the right, or a 4-3-3 with just one forward.

    Such an approach worked on several occasions - the 4-2-3-1 was employed with especial success away from home - but one wonders if Schuster would have used it at home had he a top-class forward whom he could trust on the bench. That Saviola seems not to fit the bill is a shame for el Conejo, but for the time being it remains reality.

    Imbalance

    Following on from the above, having another forward would help repair the squad imbalance. Counting Javi García as a defender - for that is where Schuster has used him, despite his midfield credentials - the blancos have nine stoppers in their squad of 25. This is one too many: a fine rule of thumb is two for each of the four defensive positions, bearing in mind that some, such as Sergio Ramos and Gabriel Heinze, can play in more than one place. Should an injury crisis take place, young players from the B team are eligible to be used at a higher level.

    When examining the defence one name sticks out in particular: Michel Salgado. It's pretty much a fact of life that he is now third choice right-back behind Ramos and Miguel Torres, and while some of the scapegoat treatment dealt out his way has been pretty shameful he remains very much a bit-part player. Why he wasn't put out to pasture last summer like, say, Emerson, is a matter of great mystery. Notice that he, unlike Guti and Raúl, were not given the contract-for-life, red-carpet treatment. So why is he still around? Removing him from the squad of 25 via loan or into the reserves, while harsh, would allow Schuster to balance his squad more effectively.

    Even in midfield there are too many options for certain positions. If we treat Javi García as a defensive midfielder then there are no fewer four men able to fill what may end up being a single space. The only position in which there is insufficient cover, then, is up front, and if casualties have to be made elsewhere in roder to rectify that then it's a sacrifice worth making.

    Everybody Loves A Little Competition

    Then there's competition. Last season, little was needed: when Ruud wasn't injured he did well, and when Raúl played - which was always - he did so in style. But short memories could cost Madrid. Remember that Raúl started 06-07 pretty badly, i.e. within the past 18 months there have been serious and concerted calls to drop Raúl. Should this happen again then Saviola would doubtless inherit the second-striker role. If he doesn't play well, Raúl comes back in. But if neither plays well, there are simply no options.

    Again this comes down to the numbers game, but with a particular emphasis on Schuster's selection prospects without referring to injuries. In every other place he can mix and match basically at will, but up front even dropping for dropping's sake becomes a dire situation. Put it this way: if Fernando Gago has a couple of poor games a ready replacement can be found. If Ruud does? Higuaín is thrown to the lions in a position that, let us remember, he has only flourished in for a bare handful of games in Spain.

    Plus - and this point is key - it would allow Schuster to assert his primacy in the dressing room if he could show every single squad member that none were infallible or untouchable. If the likes of Arjen Robben can start from the bench then the default forward pairing most certainly should be able to do so as well.

    Tactical Concerns

    Going back to look at the formations from earlier, the 4-2-3-1 option takes some considering, too. Raúl played at the head of such a system on occasion last season, and to good effect: remember the 4-1 win over Barcelona in May? That was Raúl up front, Guti behind, and Sneijder and Robben coming in from the flanks.

    But that relies on a certain interpretation of the 4-2-3-1, and one that isn't matched, say, in Europe or away from home if the wing players need to drop further back. In such cases it may make sense to find a strong, imposing '9' who can hold the ball up as well as find the net. I'm sure you, the reader, can think of several candidates (beyond Ruud van Nistelrooy.)

    To put it simply, Schuster has done enough at Madrid to be trusted with having a key input in building a squad, and if he feels that another striker is needed then he's most likely correct. And, as above, there are plenty of solid reasons for Madrid doing so.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:09 pm

    TM wrote:To put it simply, Schuster has done enough at Madrid to be trusted with having a key input in building a squad

    I'm not sure this is true...in fact, I'm quite sure it is not. The biggest problem is neither Schuster nor Pedja has a clear of idea how the team is supposed to play. Pedja has done a relatively good job of getting rid of deadwood players but he has been awful at signing players and it's mostly down to him having now idea how the team should look on the pitch. And of course, any tactical scheme is always undermined by the fact that Raul has to be in the XI. I think at times last year he justified his place. Other times, he certainly did not. But you can't play 4-2-3-1 with Raul unless he is playing behind the centre forward and if that is the case then there is no place for players like Sneijder or VDV. You can't play 4-3-3 with Raul unless you don't care that there is no balance due to the absence of a right sided attacker because Raul will always drift into the middle. The only system that even remotely fits Raul these days is 4-4-2 but we have no right midfielder/winger.
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    Post by Dick Grayson Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:37 pm

    Sorry to be t'bearer of bad new - but TRW will nto be joining RM after all...oh dear! Humiliated? Laughing
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    Post by Axeslammer Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:36 pm

    Dick Grayson wrote:Sorry to be t'bearer of bad new - but TRW will nto be joining RM after all...oh dear! Humiliated? Laughing

    Humiliated ?!

    They didn't buy the boy, they bought the man !

    Who needs Little Cry Boy when you have VDV cheers


    Try to offload your disloyal Cr@p somewhere else Ale
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    Post by Fey Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:30 pm

    VDV is a fat gypsy that lived most of his life in a caravan ok

    CR7 is a god!
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    Post by TITO Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:30 pm

    Well Dick, they shouldn't feel humiliated at all. They just saved around 100 mill euros.
    Next year he wont cost more than third of that amount.
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    Post by Batman Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:19 pm

    Robinho: I Want To Leave For Chelsea

    Speaking to the EFE news agency, Real Madrid star Robinho has dropped a bombshell ahead of the new Spanish season by declaring that he wants to leave Real Madrid to play for Chelsea in the Premier League...

    Just days after Robinho's agent, Wagner Ribeiro, seemed to rule out the prospect of a switch to London, Robinho has today stated that all that's needed is Madrid's assent for a move to go through. What's more, it's a transfer that he wants.

    The player said today: "I dream of playing in the Premier League. Chelsea have a great squad, a great team, and they've made an offer that's great for both me and Real Madrid.

    "I have nothing against my current team, to whom I'm very grateful, but at this point my goal is to leave here and I hope that everything will be resolved as soon as possible."

    This will come as a massive shock for Real Madrid: with the competitive season already underway in the form of the Spanish Supercopa, to be faced with losing one of their top players with so little time left to source a replacement is catastrophic.

    Chelesa, meanwhile, are known to be great admirers of the Brazilian winger, with both chief executive Peter Kenyon and first team coach Luiz Felipe Scolari said to be eager to land the ex-Santos man.

    Despite the 24-year-old's statements today, though, it could well be that no move comes to pass. Real Madrid president Ramón Calderón has already declared Robinho to be "non-transferable" and has also deemed the blancos' transfer window operations to be concluded.

    Furthremore Calderón and sporting director Pedja Mijatovic may opt to take a leaf out of Manchester United's book and hold onto one of their prime talents come hell or high water. After all, when Cristiano Ronaldo first stated that he wished to depart Old Trafford in favour of Madrid the Red Devils hierarchy stood their ground, eventually winning back the loyalty of their winger.

    Whether or not Real Madrid can manage the same - especially in light of an alleged €40m bid from the Blues - remains to be seen.

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    Karma ok
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:22 pm

    Battyboy have you ever posted any good news from any club apart from your own?
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    Post by Jaime Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:49 pm

    Batman wrote:Karma ok

    lol! Nobody believes in magic Batman.
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    Post by TM Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:07 pm

    Spanish champions Real Madrid are on the verge of completing the surprise capture of River Plate’s young centreback, Mateo Musacchio.

    The 17 year old central defender, who will turn 18 next week, looks set to complete a dream move from River Plate to Spanish powerhouse Real Madrid for €4 million.

    Marca has confirmed that the Argentine outfit will send the club treasurer Héctor Grinberd to the Spanish capital this weekend to meet with the Madrid board to hopefully seal the deal on Monday.

    The transfer will see Los Merengues own the youngster outright but River are hoping to negotiate a deal to retain him at El Monumental for another year on loan.

    Madrid appear to have learned from their past mistakes of neglecting defensive players as they are now making a habit of bringing in young defenders from abroad to acclimatize to and blossom in La Liga.

    Last season, the club brought in Christopher Schorch from Hertha Berlin and exciting young Ghanaian rightback Daniel Opare from Ashanti Gold SC and introduced them to second division football with Real Madrid Castilla, with the hope of promoting them to the first team in a few years’ time.
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    Post by Jaime Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:19 pm

    Scorch barely got into the team last year and Opare hasn't done a single thing and yet people think he is some kind of god. We should leave the practice of buying foreign players for the youth team to Arsenal and Liverpool. We rarely give our canteranos a chance in the 1st team and now we don't even give them a chance in Castilla?
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    Post by Super Progress Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:24 pm

    Batman wrote:Robinho: I Want To Leave For Chelsea

    Speaking to the EFE news agency, Real Madrid star Robinho has dropped a bombshell ahead of the new Spanish season by declaring that he wants to leave Real Madrid to play for Chelsea in the Premier League...

    Just days after Robinho's agent, Wagner Ribeiro, seemed to rule out the prospect of a switch to London, Robinho has today stated that all that's needed is Madrid's assent for a move to go through. What's more, it's a transfer that he wants.

    The player said today: "I dream of playing in the Premier League. Chelsea have a great squad, a great team, and they've made an offer that's great for both me and Real Madrid.

    "I have nothing against my current team, to whom I'm very grateful, but at this point my goal is to leave here and I hope that everything will be resolved as soon as possible."

    This will come as a massive shock for Real Madrid: with the competitive season already underway in the form of the Spanish Supercopa, to be faced with losing one of their top players with so little time left to source a replacement is catastrophic.

    Chelesa, meanwhile, are known to be great admirers of the Brazilian winger, with both chief executive Peter Kenyon and first team coach Luiz Felipe Scolari said to be eager to land the ex-Santos man.

    Despite the 24-year-old's statements today, though, it could well be that no move comes to pass. Real Madrid president Ramón Calderón has already declared Robinho to be "non-transferable" and has also deemed the blancos' transfer window operations to be concluded.

    Furthremore Calderón and sporting director Pedja Mijatovic may opt to take a leaf out of Manchester United's book and hold onto one of their prime talents come hell or high water. After all, when Cristiano Ronaldo first stated that he wished to depart Old Trafford in favour of Madrid the Red Devils hierarchy stood their ground, eventually winning back the loyalty of their winger.

    Whether or not Real Madrid can manage the same - especially in light of an alleged €40m bid from the Blues - remains to be seen.

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    If Robinho really wants go soo bad because of those idiots that run the club then we should let him. i understand somewhat why he wants to leave because he knows the club has been trying to push him out. it has been disgraceful how the papers have been bashing Robinho for some of the same stuff that they wanted Ronaldo to do.
    what i cant understand is that Chelsea are really willing to give so much money for a player that has only partly shown his worth. also i would say there is much more chance of him succeding in Milan where he was previously reported to be heading. he might fit in Chelsea new style but doubt he will do that great in the English league.
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    Post by Cristiano Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:29 pm

    Super Madrid wrote:
    Batman wrote:Robinho: I Want To Leave For Chelsea

    Speaking to the EFE news agency, Real Madrid star Robinho has dropped a bombshell ahead of the new Spanish season by declaring that he wants to leave Real Madrid to play for Chelsea in the Premier League...

    Just days after Robinho's agent, Wagner Ribeiro, seemed to rule out the prospect of a switch to London, Robinho has today stated that all that's needed is Madrid's assent for a move to go through. What's more, it's a transfer that he wants.

    The player said today: "I dream of playing in the Premier League. Chelsea have a great squad, a great team, and they've made an offer that's great for both me and Real Madrid.

    "I have nothing against my current team, to whom I'm very grateful, but at this point my goal is to leave here and I hope that everything will be resolved as soon as possible."

    This will come as a massive shock for Real Madrid: with the competitive season already underway in the form of the Spanish Supercopa, to be faced with losing one of their top players with so little time left to source a replacement is catastrophic.

    Chelesa, meanwhile, are known to be great admirers of the Brazilian winger, with both chief executive Peter Kenyon and first team coach Luiz Felipe Scolari said to be eager to land the ex-Santos man.

    Despite the 24-year-old's statements today, though, it could well be that no move comes to pass. Real Madrid president Ramón Calderón has already declared Robinho to be "non-transferable" and has also deemed the blancos' transfer window operations to be concluded.

    Furthremore Calderón and sporting director Pedja Mijatovic may opt to take a leaf out of Manchester United's book and hold onto one of their prime talents come hell or high water. After all, when Cristiano Ronaldo first stated that he wished to depart Old Trafford in favour of Madrid the Red Devils hierarchy stood their ground, eventually winning back the loyalty of their winger.

    Whether or not Real Madrid can manage the same - especially in light of an alleged €40m bid from the Blues - remains to be seen.

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    Karma ok
    If Robinho really wants go soo bad because of those idiots that run the club then we should let him. i understand somewhat why he wants to leave because he knows the club has been trying to push him out. it has been disgraceful how the papers have been bashing Robinho for some of the same stuff that they wanted Ronaldo to do.
    what i cant understand is that Chelsea are really willing to give so much money for a player that has only partly shown his worth. also i would say there is much more chance of him succeding in Milan where he was previously reported to be heading. he might fit in Chelsea new style but doubt he will do that great in the English league.

    It seems as if Marca and AS have suceeded in making him feel unwelcome and unwanted in Madrid. Schuster and his team-mates has supported him throughout but the jokers that run the club want him to leave so we can only have Robben and Ramos on the wings. Doh
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    Post by Fade out Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:37 pm

    IF Robinho leaves, we have a serious problem to address. Fucking stupidity to let him go.

    "he might fit in Chelsea new style but doubt he will do that great in the English league."

    Chelsea sold Robben and got Malouda. Robben was best suited for english league, and now they want robinho, who suits la liga best. It's madness for both clubs to have swapped players (if the transfer happens) for around the same fee.
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    Post by Jaime Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:43 pm

    Assuming all of the quotes are correct, Robinho wants to go. As such, it is not stupidity at all. It's the smartest thing of all to cash in now rather than force the player to stay against his well only to leave for half the price (or less) in a year.

    Obviously, if he goes Pedja has his work cut out for him between now and the transfer deadline but it is not unusual for us leave transfers to the last minute anyhow.
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    Post by Torrente Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:13 pm

    If those quotes are true then I think we should sell him. As I said before, a player that would rather play in Chelsea than Real Madrid does not deserve the privilege to wear the white shirt.

    I can understand Robinho's side, but at the same time I think that in the end it comes down to money. He's overplaying how badly the club have treated him to help his cause and so the fans don't hate him after this. But hey, Chelsea's offering him more than 5 million a year while we're offering him 3.5 million.

    The irony of all this is that 3 years ago Chelsea was offering Robinho a higher salary than us but he still decided to come to Madrid instead. He even refused millions from the transfer that he would have been entitled to (from what I remember, he owned 20% of his own contract, but he gave up that fee so he could sign for us.

    I guess that greedy son of a bitch Ribeiro finally got to him.
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    Post by Jaime Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:39 pm

    Torrente wrote: I guess that greedy son of a bitch Ribeiro finally got to him.

    Agents these days really are a bunch of c*nts.
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    Post by Cristiano Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:41 pm

    Torrente wrote:If those quotes are true then I think we should sell him. As I said before, a player that would rather play in Chelsea than Real Madrid does not deserve the privilege to wear the white shirt.

    I can understand Robinho's side, but at the same time I think that in the end it comes down to money. He's overplaying how badly the club have treated him to help his cause and so the fans don't hate him after this. But hey, Chelsea's offering him more than 5 million a year while we're offering him 3.5 million.

    The irony of all this is that 3 years ago Chelsea was offering Robinho a higher salary than us but he still decided to come to Madrid instead. He even refused millions from the transfer that he would have been entitled to (from what I remember, he owned 20% of his own contract, but he gave up that fee so he could sign for us.

    I guess that greedy son of a bitch Ribeiro finally got to him.

    Exacty, this is more to do with Ribeiro's greed than anything else. A transfer will be more beneficial to him than a new contract.

    And yes if he wants to go we should let him leave because he might not be even be worth half what Chelsea are offering now next summer, i think he is deluded in thinking he will do well in the Premier League though, unlike some clubs we shouldn't desparatley hold on to players that don't want to play for us.
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    Post by TM Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:50 pm

    Under Scolari he may well do well in the EPL, but he would have to bulk up and stop diving.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:56 pm

    Torrente wrote: The irony of all this is that 3 years ago Chelsea was offering Robinho a higher salary than us but he still decided to come to Madrid instead. He even refused millions from the transfer that he would have been entitled to (from what I remember, he owned 20% of his own contract, but he gave up that fee so he could sign for us.

    I guess that greedy son of a bitch Ribeiro finally got to him.

    Or he genuinely wants to play for Scolari, or thinks Chelsea's football is now more attractive than yours...
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    Post by Jaime Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:58 pm

    Roger Hunt wrote:
    Torrente wrote: The irony of all this is that 3 years ago Chelsea was offering Robinho a higher salary than us but he still decided to come to Madrid instead. He even refused millions from the transfer that he would have been entitled to (from what I remember, he owned 20% of his own contract, but he gave up that fee so he could sign for us.

    I guess that greedy son of a bitch Ribeiro finally got to him.

    Or he genuinely wants to play for Scolari, or thinks Chelsea's football is now more attractive than yours...

    Either way he is free to go as far as I'm concerned.
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    Post by fcb Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:59 pm

    Or he feels alienated by how the press, fans, and maybe some of the board as well, didn't mind using him as Ronaldo bait.
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    Post by Jaime Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:04 pm

    kas wrote:Or he feels alienated by how the press, fans, and maybe some of the board as well, didn't mind using him as Ronaldo bait.

    There may be something to that but really he needs to grow up. There are always rumours about players going and coming, especially at Real Madrid, and if he cannot deal with it I'm sorry. For years there were rumours that Zanetti was coming to replace Salgado (when he was good). Michel didn't go and cry and he got down to work. Relative to his ability, Robinho has done very little in a Real Madrid shirt. Maybe the fans wouldn't have alienated himself if he didn't hide every time we went to Camp Nou or Vicente Calderon or played in the CL or any other time when it really mattered.
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    Post by Torrente Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:08 pm

    Roger Hunt wrote:
    Torrente wrote: The irony of all this is that 3 years ago Chelsea was offering Robinho a higher salary than us but he still decided to come to Madrid instead. He even refused millions from the transfer that he would have been entitled to (from what I remember, he owned 20% of his own contract, but he gave up that fee so he could sign for us.

    I guess that greedy son of a bitch Ribeiro finally got to him.

    Or he genuinely wants to play for Scolari, or thinks Chelsea's football is now more attractive than yours ...



    lol!

    Because of one game against Portsmouth? I really doubt it. Admittedly, maybe Scolari has promised to play him in attack, and that may play a role. I think Robinho is aware that he will not get a chance to play in that position for a long time due to Raul's presence.

    But it's no coincidence that Robinho has kept his mouth shut until now. If he really wanted to go there, why didn't he speak 4 weeks ago? His agent was giving comments from time to time, but they were generally about "not being appreciated" by Madrid. These comments didn't only refer to the Ronaldo fiasco, but it hinted toward a higher salary so he could "feel appreciated".

    Robinho was waiting for Madrid to match Chelsea's salary. Now that Calderon told him there was no way Madrid would match Chelsea's offer, he has decided to talk.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:10 pm

    Smile

    Yeah I was just winding you up with the last bit. But your football is not as good to watch as it was 5 years ago.

    I genuinely think that the Robinho deal only made sense for Chelsea if it gave you the funds to buy Ronaldo (i.e. Man U losing Ronaldo would give Chelsea more chance of winning the league than Chelsea getting Robinho).
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    Post by Torrente Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:11 pm

    Jaime wrote:
    kas wrote:Or he feels alienated by how the press, fans, and maybe some of the board as well, didn't mind using him as Ronaldo bait.

    There may be something to that but really he needs to grow up. There are always rumours about players going and coming, especially at Real Madrid, and if he cannot deal with it I'm sorry. For years there were rumours that Zanetti was coming to replace Salgado (when he was good). Michel didn't go and cry and he got down to work. Relative to his ability, Robinho has done very little in a Real Madrid shirt. Maybe the fans wouldn't have alienated himself if he didn't hide every time we went to Camp Nou or Vicente Calderon or played in the CL or any other time when it really mattered.

    Let's not go too far. I'm very pissed off at Robinho as well, but we shouldn't downplay what he's done for the team. In our last 2 league titles, I would definitely place him as one of the top 5 players responsible for us winning them.
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    Post by TM Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:15 pm

    Are these quotes from Robinho genuine?
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    Post by Fey Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:17 pm

    Shut up river n****r Rolling Eyes

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