Real Madrid C.F. 2008/09

Torrente wrote:

kas wrote:This has descended into farce

Robinho wants out via a transfer, but Madrid are now talking about rescinding his contract! If Chelsea were a bit smarter, they'd know they can mess with Madrid and not really pay 37m euros.

Well, they're saying that there should be a "unilateral resolution" to his contract. I think that's just fancy words for selling him to another club.

Dosen't the statement also say "if that was his wish" as well? Putting these as an official statement is rather stupid from the business point of view, unless, of course, they had already agreed the price.

elbecko wrote:

Torrente wrote:

kas wrote:This has descended into farce

Robinho wants out via a transfer, but Madrid are now talking about rescinding his contract! If Chelsea were a bit smarter, they'd know they can mess with Madrid and not really pay 37m euros.

Well, they're saying that there should be a "unilateral resolution" to his contract. I think that's just fancy words for selling him to another club.

Dosen't the statement also say "if that was his wish" as well? Putting these as an official statement is rather stupid from the business point of view, unless, of course, they had already agreed the price.

It's possible...the comments came out this morning so Pedja's probably been on the phone all day.

Jaime wrote:Just saw the first half of Brazil and Belgium and I thought Marcelo looked really good. Hopefully that is a good sign for the upcoming season.

I've watched most of Brazil matches and Marcelo has been playing pretty well. Considering his age, I have strong belief for him to be a very good player, and hope he'll stay with us.

Marcelo is defo in the future for us. he has played quite well for Brazil and he has linked well with Ronaldinho. the thing is that he has played the best when he has had Robinho ahead of him since they understood each other well. he never really connected that well Robben.

Torrente wrote:Comunicado oficial:

1. El Real Madrid ha tenido conocimiento de las declaraciones de su jugador Robinho, cuyo contenido lamenta profundamente dada la alta consideración que le merece y la estima personal y profesional que siempre le ha tenido.



2. El Real Madrid nunca mantendrá en su equipo a un jugador contra su voluntad, por lo que no tendrá más remedio que aceptar la resolución unilateral del contrato si esa fuera la voluntad del futbolista.


This is from the official website. So I guess it's "goodbye Robinho" for sure now.

Personally sad to see him leave, especially in this manner, and for Chelsea

No way i can be Cristiano_Robinho when his at Chelsea of all places, just have to stick to my real name now.

Quresma would be a good replacement, though considering the way Pedja got molested on the Pepe deal we could end up paying some silly money. Some of the other players bieng mentioned are too ordinary for my liking.

And also unless Pedja has finilized the deal with Chelsea already its a very silly to release this message

What is the problem with Robinho wanting to leave? Seemed like it was made clear that he wasn't really wanted any more. Surely you get more value selling him to Chelsea.

Que se vaya y fichen al gran Capel

Tomás Roncero | 23/08/2008

Robinho ha anticipado su finiquito con el Madrid. Aunque se quede un año más en el Bernabéu, la afición ya no quiere saber nada de él. El personal pudo entender su rabieta inicial con el asunto de Cristiano, pero a partir de ahí se ha comportado como un niño consentido, convencido de que su ego es más importante que el partido de vuelta de la Supercopa. Por ejemplo. Comprendo que Calderón haga fuerte a la institución negándose a negociar con el Chelsea y obligando al brasileño a respetar su contrato. Pero el cuerpo, como a muchos madridistas, me pide arreglar el engorroso asunto con Abramovich y sacarle 50 millones de euros al magnate (para él ese dinero es como para mí el presupuesto anual para pagar el colegio del peque). Si Robinho quiere irse, que se vaya. ¿Cuántas Copas de Europa nos ha dado en estos tres años de más claros que oscuros?

Varios peñistas blancos me dieron ayer la solución por SMS: "Tomás, dile al presidente que le saque toda la pasta al Chelsea y que los invierta en Diego Capel y en Cazorla. Españoles y muy buenos. Encima, le sobraría dinero". Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con ellos. Sobre todo con lo de Capel. Zurdo, internacional, explosivo, madridista y barato. Robinho, bye, bye.

http://www.as.com/opinion/articulo/vaya-fichen-gran-capel/dasopi/20080823dasdaiopi_5/Tes

EMP wrote:What is the problem with Robinho wanting to leave? Seemed like it was made clear that he wasn't really wanted any more. Surely you get more value selling him to Chelsea.

There is no problem.

Jaime wrote:

elbecko wrote:

Torrente wrote:

kas wrote:This has descended into farce

Robinho wants out via a transfer, but Madrid are now talking about rescinding his contract! If Chelsea were a bit smarter, they'd know they can mess with Madrid and not really pay 37m euros.

Well, they're saying that there should be a "unilateral resolution" to his contract. I think that's just fancy words for selling him to another club.

Dosen't the statement also say "if that was his wish" as well? Putting these as an official statement is rather stupid from the business point of view, unless, of course, they had already agreed the price.

It's possible...the comments came out this morning so Pedja's probably been on the phone all day.

Come to think of it, considering players' interviews (rather than some short comments) are usually arranged through his club's PR department, the release of "interview" may have been based on the fact that the clubs had already been agreed the price. In this way, it is the player who is seen the "villan"...

Re: Capel, he is LW, isn't he? He is undoubtedly talented but his tendency to go down too easily I don't like.

Calderon is now saying that Robinho is allowed to leave, but only if he pays his own get-out clause of 150 million. Calderon claims that Robinho will not be "transfered", and his only way out is to do the former.

Did anybody see the interview? Calderon was really flipping out. I don't think I've ever seen him so angry.

This seems to be a tactic to stall Robinho's transfer though, while we find another player and Chelsea up their bid.

In other words he can't go. Does Schuster want Robinho, or is he not part of his plans? Will stalling the transfer increase his value or decrease it as time is running out for thi window anyway?

Jaime wrote:Que se vaya y fichen al gran Capel

Tomás Roncero | 23/08/2008

Robinho ha anticipado su finiquito con el Madrid. Aunque se quede un año más en el Bernabéu, la afición ya no quiere saber nada de él. El personal pudo entender su rabieta inicial con el asunto de Cristiano, pero a partir de ahí se ha comportado como un niño consentido, convencido de que su ego es más importante que el partido de vuelta de la Supercopa. Por ejemplo. Comprendo que Calderón haga fuerte a la institución negándose a negociar con el Chelsea y obligando al brasileño a respetar su contrato. Pero el cuerpo, como a muchos madridistas, me pide arreglar el engorroso asunto con Abramovich y sacarle 50 millones de euros al magnate (para él ese dinero es como para mí el presupuesto anual para pagar el colegio del peque). Si Robinho quiere irse, que se vaya. ¿Cuántas Copas de Europa nos ha dado en estos tres años de más claros que oscuros?

Varios peñistas blancos me dieron ayer la solución por SMS: "Tomás, dile al presidente que le saque toda la pasta al Chelsea y que los invierta en Diego Capel y en Cazorla. Españoles y muy buenos. Encima, le sobraría dinero". Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con ellos. Sobre todo con lo de Capel. Zurdo, internacional, explosivo, madridista y barato. Robinho, bye, bye.

http://www.as.com/opinion/articulo/vaya-fichen-gran-capel/dasopi/20080823dasdaiopi_5/Tes

Capel or Queresma are better options than Carzola or Joaquin IMO. Would be good to have some Spanish players but that can't be the only reason to sign them.

Torrente wrote:Calderon is now saying that Robinho is allowed to leave, but only if he pays his own get-out clause of 150 million. Calderon claims that Robinho will not be "transfered", and his only way out is to do the former.

Did anybody see the interview? Calderon was really flipping out. I don't think I've ever seen him so angry.

This seems to be a tactic to stall Robinho's transfer though, while we find another player and Chelsea up their bid.

Calderon should be honoured to be involved in such a transfer.

In the latest twist in the Robinho-to-Chelsea saga, the Spanish champions have reportedly told the Brazilian that he should buy out his contract if he wants to swap the Bernabeu for Stamford Bridge.

Having earlier announced that the club would not keep a player against his will, Ramon Calderon the Real Madrid president has now hinted that the forward should buy himself out of his contract and has urged Robinho to leave the club quickly if that is what he desires.

Speaking to Cadena Ser, a Spanish radio station, he explained that the Brazilian must confirm to the club in writing that he wants to leave, as a first step. He said: “I'm sure that Robinho has already weighed up the consequences of his decision and I'm sure that in the next few days he will give a letter to the club to announce that he wants to go. If he does not want to be here, he should leave as soon as possible.”

Both Robinho and the Chelsea manager Luiz Felipe Scolari have spoken of their desire for the Brazilian to move to West London however, Calderon explained that the club were not willing to sell the player, and as he is still under contract, he must buy himself out in order to leave.

"I can tell you that Madrid are not going to transfer Robinho. We are not going to sell him. If he wants to go, then he should go now. Telling the press about it is not the right way to do things,” said Calderon before adding, “It's not necessarily that he will have to pay the £120m. He would end his contract but the courts will decide what he has to pay.”

The Madrid president also indicated that the club were not willing to be dictated to by a want-a-away player who still has two years remaining on his deal.

“Nobody is obliged to stay here, but we will defend our interests,” explained Calderon, “This is what we announced publicly on our webpage. He should leave as soon as possible, but he must accept the consequences of rescinding his contract when it has two years remaining. “

Yet, despite this the Real Madrid president did confess that the club were keen to keep the 24-year old forward.

“I hear that we wants to go, well he will have to give notice in writing,” said the Madrid president, “It's a lack of respect to the club, it's history and to the fans. We want Robinho to stay in Madrid.”

Although Madrid clearly want to keep their player Calderon reiterated the fact that the wouldn’t prevent the Brazilian from moving on if that was what the player desires. However he did reveal he was hoping Robinho might just change his mind, he concluded: “If he says tomorrow that no, he doesn't want to go, that he was only raising the idea, then we can talk."

http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/futbol-he-cumplido-ciclo-quiero/dasftb/20080823dasdaiftb_35/Tes

Interview with Robinho, quite interesting he's maintained his wish to move whilst not acting like a conte

He really needs to get rid of his agent IMHO

Schuster has called Robinho into the squad for the return leg of the Supercopa.

CONVOCATORIA:

Porteros: Iker Casillas, Dudek
Defensas: Torres, Sergio Ramos, Pepe, Marcelo, Heinze
Centrocampistas: Javi García, Diarra, De la Red, Guti, Van der Vaart, Robben, Drenthe
Delanteros: Robinho, Higuaín, Raúl y Van Nistelrooy

Torrente wrote:Calderon is now saying that Robinho is allowed to leave, but only if he pays his own get-out clause of 150 million. Calderon claims that Robinho will not be "transfered", and his only way out is to do the former.

Did anybody see the interview? Calderon was really flipping out. I don't think I've ever seen him so angry.

This seems to be a tactic to stall Robinho's transfer though, while we find another player and Chelsea up their bid.

Exactly.

TM wrote:In the latest twist in the Robinho-to-Chelsea saga, the Spanish champions have reportedly told the Brazilian that he should buy out his contract if he wants to swap the Bernabeu for Stamford Bridge.

Having earlier announced that the club would not keep a player against his will, Ramon Calderon the Real Madrid president has now hinted that the forward should buy himself out of his contract and has urged Robinho to leave the club quickly if that is what he desires.

Speaking to Cadena Ser, a Spanish radio station, he explained that the Brazilian must confirm to the club in writing that he wants to leave, as a first step. He said: “I'm sure that Robinho has already weighed up the consequences of his decision and I'm sure that in the next few days he will give a letter to the club to announce that he wants to go. If he does not want to be here, he should leave as soon as possible.”

Both Robinho and the Chelsea manager Luiz Felipe Scolari have spoken of their desire for the Brazilian to move to West London however, Calderon explained that the club were not willing to sell the player, and as he is still under contract, he must buy himself out in order to leave.

"I can tell you that Madrid are not going to transfer Robinho. We are not going to sell him. If he wants to go, then he should go now. Telling the press about it is not the right way to do things,” said Calderon before adding, “It's not necessarily that he will have to pay the £120m. He would end his contract but the courts will decide what he has to pay.”

The Madrid president also indicated that the club were not willing to be dictated to by a want-a-away player who still has two years remaining on his deal.

“Nobody is obliged to stay here, but we will defend our interests,” explained Calderon, “This is what we announced publicly on our webpage. He should leave as soon as possible, but he must accept the consequences of rescinding his contract when it has two years remaining. “

Yet, despite this the Real Madrid president did confess that the club were keen to keep the 24-year old forward.

“I hear that we wants to go, well he will have to give notice in writing,” said the Madrid president, “It's a lack of respect to the club, it's history and to the fans. We want Robinho to stay in Madrid.”

Although Madrid clearly want to keep their player Calderon reiterated the fact that the wouldn’t prevent the Brazilian from moving on if that was what the player desires. However he did reveal he was hoping Robinho might just change his mind, he concluded: “If he says tomorrow that no, he doesn't want to go, that he was only raising the idea, then we can talk."

Calderon never fails to make me laugh.

There is one outcome that would make the parallels between Ronaldo and Robinho scarily similar. All of this goes much further than one potentially swapping from one league to the other.

In 2006 after the world cup, Ronaldo had angered a lot of fans and club officials by what happened in the world cup against Rooney, and by asking for a transfer to Real Madrid afterwards. However, once Villar lost the election, Calderon didn't go for Ronaldo and eventually Ronaldo stayed in ManU.

After being whistled by his own fans in the fist couple of games, Ronaldo withstood the pressure and took the premiership by storm and arguably became the best player in the world.

Before that season, Ronaldo had basically shown what Robinho has shown in Madrid up to now - flashes of brilliance but not enough end product or consistently great performances.

Imagine that after all this Robinho stays, gets booed by the fans in the beginning, but finally "explodes" and becomes the best player in the world, the way Ronaldo did after 2006.

How amazing would be if this actually happened?

Que in the Robinho haters

Except Ronaldo, actually has a strong personality and doesn't give a f@ck what others think about him (as we saw this summer).

Robinho, in sheva7's words, is a pussy

kas wrote:Except Ronaldo, actually has a strong personality and doesn't give a f@ck what others think about him (as we saw this summer).

Robinho, in sheva7's words, is a pussy

That is true but Ronaldo was actually supported by his club throughout and was never really talked about as leaving.in Ronaldos case he was the one who tried to get the move started. with Robinho it was the club and the press.
Ronaldo would never have been able to get in good form had he not gotten so much support from the club.
while it would be great for Torrentes version of events to become true Robinho has had the same love/hate relationship with the club that eventually got Ronaldo shipped of to Milan.

Aye, Fergie stuck by Ronaldo throughout the whole ordeal.

Torrente wrote:There is one outcome that would make the parallels between Ronaldo and Robinho scarily similar. All of this goes much further than one potentially swapping from one league to the other.

In 2006 after the world cup, Ronaldo had angered a lot of fans and club officials by what happened in the world cup against Rooney, and by asking for a transfer to Real Madrid afterwards. However, once Villar lost the election, Calderon didn't go for Ronaldo and eventually Ronaldo stayed in ManU.

After being whistled by his own fans in the fist couple of games, Ronaldo withstood the pressure and took the premiership by storm and arguably became the best player in the world.

Before that season, Ronaldo had basically shown what Robinho has shown in Madrid up to now - flashes of brilliance but not enough end product or consistently great performances.

Imagine that after all this Robinho stays, gets booed by the fans in the beginning, but finally "explodes" and becomes the best player in the world, the way Ronaldo did after 2006.

How amazing would be if this actually happened?

Que in the Robinho haters

The change of tactics/formation - sale of Ruud also played a big part in Ronaldo's success imo.

Torrente wrote:Calderon is now saying that Robinho is allowed to leave, but only if he pays his own get-out clause of 150 million. Calderon claims that Robinho will not be "transfered", and his only way out is to do the former.

Did anybody see the interview? Calderon was really flipping out. I don't think I've ever seen him so angry.

This seems to be a tactic to stall Robinho's transfer though, while we find another player and Chelsea up their bid.

It all sounds like a right Roya/Real mutual-shafting going here!!!

First Real/Calderone tried to shaft Robinho in the hope of signing TRW - effectively treating Robinho like a whore!
Now Robinho is trying to shaft Real back - no wonder Calderone is flipping out - Robinho is trying to bend him over shaft with an elephant-dick sized strap on!!!!

Nutters...you never fail to make me laugh.

According to Marca --

Calderón a Robinho: "Trae 45 kilos y te vas"

Robinho and Wagner Ribeiro just want to earn more money. Simple as that.

If Robinho was smart, he would have fired his agent earlier. Ribeiro was Kaká's agent until Milan made an offer for Kaká. In Brazil the players get 15 % of the transfer fee. Milan offered 8,5m euro for Kaká. São Paulo asked for 9,5m euro. Milan refused to make a new offer and São Paulo told Kaká that they would sell him only if they didn't have to give him any money from the transfer fee. Wagner Ribeiro told Kaká that he should wait for a better offer. Then Kaká realized that Ribeiro was a mercenary c**t and fired him. A few days later he accepted Milan's offer.

Jaime wrote: Nutters...you never fail to make me laugh.

Yes, but i speaketh t'truth old darling...!

whats your probable starting XI tonight?

I hope Salgado is in it.