Liverpool v Chelsea

The HuddFather wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Mikel doesn't have pace. It's a myth because he's black.

Huddlestone ?

Huddlestone has loads of pace, in good weather he can get up to 30 knots!!

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

kas wrote:What a performance by Man. Utd. Chelsea were outclassed in every area of the pitch. They showed some of the same frailties from earlier in this season, with a dysfunctional midfield the main problem. But they looked even more ineffective because of Man. Utd's defensive play...

Vidic, what a f@cking defender this guy is...did he even miss one tackle or header all game long? Gary Neville was great too, and I was one of those who had written him off after his feeble attempts at a comeback and Rafael's emergence. The Chelsea midfield and attack were simply not as committed as the Man. Utd. players, who were really fired up by the crowd and went for it all through the 90 mins.

I cannot believe what I've read on here about this game.

Neville and Vidic were good ?

They couldn't possibly have been good or bad as they had nothing to play against.

Drogba wasn't match fit but more worringly for Chelsea he didn't give a shit.

Some perspective needed - this is probably the worst Chelsea performance in the Abramovich era.

The goals they conceded were so basic its unbelievable and Ballack and Lampard never look like they can play together.

As for the Rapist - he dropped a clanger on the halfway line after a couple of minutes and will be found out when he plays against motivated strikers.

Give it up Pierre you couldn't be more wrong again and again.

The rapist was up against somebody you continually praise, call underrated and think is one of the worlds best strikers... and most difficult striker to play against. Yet he coped easily and was also very good in possesion.

Why was it the worst Chelsea performance? anything to do with Man Utd?

You keep going on about some booking not going the other way around. Overlooking a probable penalty/wrong yellow in a Ronaldo incident + 2 disallowed goals the other way, to continue this referee myth.

Vidic did everything right, scored AGAIN, and won every battle he had to deal with, with ease. I now feel justified for 2 seasons ago saying he outperforms Rio and is definitely as good if not better than him. Because though not as talented he is a more reliable defender imo, not that Rio isn't reliable.

You know it's almost a foregone conclusion who will be champions now...

Did you not read anything I typed before replying ?

"He won everything with ease" Because Drogba is in a massive strop and didn't really try.

I continually praise Drogba because he is awesome when fit and motivated - he was neither of those things today.


Vidic is nowhere near as good as Rio - you have to allow for the fact that he should have cost you the point at Villa with the unpunished, nailed on red card offence and you would have also been more heavily beaten by Arsenal if he had been correctly sent off there.

Plus he would have missed several games through suspension.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

kas wrote:What a performance by Man. Utd. Chelsea were outclassed in every area of the pitch. They showed some of the same frailties from earlier in this season, with a dysfunctional midfield the main problem. But they looked even more ineffective because of Man. Utd's defensive play...

Vidic, what a f@cking defender this guy is...did he even miss one tackle or header all game long? Gary Neville was great too, and I was one of those who had written him off after his feeble attempts at a comeback and Rafael's emergence. The Chelsea midfield and attack were simply not as committed as the Man. Utd. players, who were really fired up by the crowd and went for it all through the 90 mins.

I cannot believe what I've read on here about this game.

Neville and Vidic were good ?

They couldn't possibly have been good or bad as they had nothing to play against.

Drogba wasn't match fit but more worringly for Chelsea he didn't give a shit.

Some perspective needed - this is probably the worst Chelsea performance in the Abramovich era.

The goals they conceded were so basic its unbelievable and Ballack and Lampard never look like they can play together.

As for the Rapist - he dropped a clanger on the halfway line after a couple of minutes and will be found out when he plays against motivated strikers.

Neville certainly doesn't deserve praise. This wasn't a good performance by United, but it was good enough to beat Chelsea who looked asleep. Once world class, Cech, Drogba, Deco and Cole were passengers. The only Chelsea player to come out of the game with any credit for me was Terry, but even he was pretty poor and looked like he had only met Carvalho 10 minutes before kickoff. Chelsea fans will get carried away with this result, just as the United fans will, Chelsea aren't a bad side over night and they should recover from this. Giggs hasn't found a majestic return to form, just that he was the only player with any finesse in the United midfield. Most EPL sides would be more than a match for him. A lot of Championship sides would be too. Neville I thought was poor and can count himself lucky that he didn;t have anyone playing against him. I wouldn't trust either of these players against Derby. I thought Ronaldo played better than he has done recently (he says through gritted teeth) while Rooney, Park and Fletcher do what they do. Berbatov is pretty pointless in this team.

L-r d wrote:

COTR wrote:Last night it was Lrd, tonight it is Batman

Not sure what you're on about. But today signalled an end to any 1-0 nonsense

Making a fool of yourself Lrd

Batman at least has the good heart to stay around and admit it

Rating and slating the twenty-two starters at Old Trafford...

Manchester United

Edwin Van der Sar
Did not have to make a single save to make or anything else worthy of note. It's not much of a commentary on the Dutchman but a damning insight into the quality of Chelsea's display.
Rating (out of ten): Five.

Gary Neville
A last hurrah for the United captain. Enjoyed a comfortable afternoon against a side without pace or a proper winger and went into fist-pumping overdrive after the margin of victory was extended by Dimi Berbatov.
Rating: Six.

Nemanja Vidic
The Serbian has become a colossus figure in both United's defence and English football - is there a better defender on these shores? Typically resolute doing his day job, he took advantage of slack marking in the Chelsea penalty-area to turn the game decisively just before half-time. In that respect, the second-half goals were unfair because Vidic might have otherwise gained the prominence and plaudits he deserves.
Rating: Eight.

Jonny Evans
Sir Alex Ferguson has been raving about this lad for some time and here was 90 minutes of vindication. Coped admirably with both Didier Drogba and, after the interval, Nicolas Anelka.
Rating: Seven.

Patrice Evra
Not quite the predicted "freshest man on the pitch", Evra was competent but had scant opportunity to impress against a Chelsea team that offered a packed midfield and almost nothing going forward. Going forward himself, the Frenchman produced an outstanding cross for Wayne Rooney to double the scoring but the mystery remains: Did he then injury himself dancing?
Rating: Six.

Cristiano Ronaldo
To repeat: He's not playing as well as he did last season but even a below-top-form Ronaldo remains an outstanding footballer. Can add another goalscoring assist to the list with a wicked free-kick for Berbatov's goal and would have increased the scoring himself had football's authorities realised that offside decisions are matters of fact and should be subject to television revision.
Rating: Six.

Darren Fletcher
Something of an unsung hero this season, Fletcher has become a first-choice pick and provided another fully-committed stint to ensure that, even if they were outnumbered, United were not outplayed in the centre of the park. Do not underestimate his contribution either in general since August or on Sunday.
Rating: Seven.

Ryan Giggs
Enjoying a reinvention as a midfielder rather than a winger, Giggs put in a decent shift alongside Fletcher - although his distribution was surprisingly wayward on more than one occasion - and delivered a peach of a corner for Vidic's crucial opener.
Rating: Seven.

Ji-Sung Park
The standard performance - and that's said as a compliment. Ferguson selects the Korean in these types of matches - the United described the decision to omit Park in May's Champions League final as "one of the hardest of my career" - because he trusts him to deliver ninety minutes of ceaseless running and selflessness. Park is a six-out-of-ten player - and that's precisely why Ferguson values him in such games over the likes of Anderson and Nani.
Rating: Six.

Dimitar Berbatov
Another nearly-but-not-quite display from Berbatov until he capped United's afternoon with a couple of minutes remaining. That should ease the pressure on the Bulgarian who has, somewhat unfairly, become a relatively unpopular figure amongst the United fans after replacing their favourite Carlos Tevez.
Rating: Six.

Wayne Rooney
Rooney's expletive-ridden, swear-in-your-face, run-forty-yards-to-abuse, I'm-Wayne-Rooney-and-I can-do-what-I-want conduct has long since ceased to be a mere disgrace because the outrage is plural: firstly, that he behaves in such a manner and secondly that referees continue to tolerate it. Howard Webb, deemed to be the best whistle-blower in the country, let down his entire profession - from the Premier League down to the humblest Sunday League - by turning a deaf ear to Rooney's all-too-obvious dissent on approximately four occasions during the first-half alone. That he was only belatedly cautioned - and that for a wild tackle - was nothing short of a scandal.

From a purely playing perspective, Rooney was better than decent. But the truth remains that he should not have been on the pitch for the second-half.
Rating: 4.


Chelsea

Petr Cech
Not at obvious fault for any of the goals conceded, but Chelsea's set-piece disorganisation at Craven Cottage earned Cech a post-match, finger-wagging rebuke from Luiz Felipe Scolari and a repeat of those failings on Sunday, with two of United's goals the consequence of inadequate marking, reflected badly on their exposed goalkeeper as well.
Rating: Four.

Jose Bosingwa
Questions about Bosingwa's ability on the backfoot were answered approximately a minute before Scolari also replied in the negative by hauling off the right-back. The way Ronaldo and Evra were able to bypass Chelsea's right flank for Rooney's 63rd-minute clincher was, from a blue perspective, unacceptably easy.
Rating: Three.

Ricardo Carvalho
The lone achievement in Chelsea's afternoon was Carvalho somehow earning Ronaldo a booking as a consequence of him holding back the forward and then tripping him over for good measure in the full view of referee Webb. A second yellow - if not a straight red - for Carvalho would have followed after the interview but for a marginal offside call going against Rooney. Bizarrely, Carvalho's reaction was to admonish the United forward as if he had over-reacted to having his shirt pulled and legs kicked from underneath him. Very, very strange.
Rating: Three.

John Terry
So much for the theory that Terry's return would fix the aerial faults exposed by Fulham and Southend. Was made to look silly by Ballack's disappearing act for Vidic's goal and could have no complaints when a block by the Serbian created Berbatov's an hour later: that particular trick was trademarked by the Chelsea skipper back in the days when his side scored regularly from set-pieces rather than conceded them with corrosive routine.
Rating: Three.

Ashley Cole
One of Chelsea's better players although his performance still paled alongside his interview for Football Focus on Saturday in which he finally embraced humility and regret.
Rating: Five.

Mikel
Why the fuss over this lad? The only thing that isn't ordinary about Mikel is his fee and route to Stamford Bridge. Not buying him and receiving £12m as a reward was the best bit of business that Manchester United ever did.
Rating: Three.

Joe Cole
Kept running, but that's to damn Cole with slow progress because it was painfully apparent for most of the match that what Chelsea lack most is pace on the flanks. Cole's value to his side would double if there was speed on the opposite wing - not least because it would stretch Chelsea's opponents and give him room in which to operate. On Sunday, it was all too easy for United to close down Cole and the rest of Chelsea's pedestrian midfield.
Rating: Five.

Frank Lampard
Miracles are possible even if cautioning Wayne Rooney for dissent is not: Even Jamie Redknapp was prepared to admit that his top, top cousin did not have a top, top game at Old Trafford. In fairness to Lampard, his head never dropped and a third-minute booking may have been a factor in what was, by his standards, a subdued display.
Rating: Five.

Michael Ballack
Where was the heart? Where was the effort? Where was the authority? Where was the player who Chelsea signed on a deal reputedly worth a weekly wage of £130,000? An utterly abysmal display bereft of a single redeeming feature or moment.
Rating: One.

Deco
Why else would Barcelona have let Deco depart if they did not fear that the 31-year-old wouldn't be able to sustain his form over a full season? In the event, Deco's form began petering out into first mediocrity and now anonymity after approximately a month. The only trick he was able to perform Old Trafford half-time was standing in the space Frank Lampard looked to occupy. The final nail in the coffin for Chelsea fans on their worst day in many a year must have been reports that he was taken off at half-time due to injury denying them the hope it was on account of belated realisation from Scolari that Deco has become an almost literal waste of space.
Rating: Two.

Didier Drogba
The two moments that summed up Chelsea's overall performance were the two half-chances that fell for Drogba: The first resulted in the ball being sliced for a throw-in and the second produced an air kick.
Rating: Three.

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L-r d wrote:

Why was it the worst Chelsea performance? anything to do with Man Utd?

what was Chelsea's form like coming in to this game Lrd? Would you say they were in good form? I wouldn't, I would say 1 win in 5 games is pretty poor form, confidence will have been low and it showed. Up til the first goal United weren't any better.

COTR wrote:What a disgusting club united are

Another shit goal

You gotta give it to the Mancs today COTR! They fucking EARNED their win against Chelsea. Them blues were a big mess (the Mancs had lots to do with that mind you), Drogba didn't break a sweat, Lampard and Ballack were nowhere to be found. Chelsea semi-controlled the game with Deco on, but as soon as he was replaced, Chelsea lost the ball and the game.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN a player score a goal the way Rooney did today, through Ashley Cole's legs, beating the "world's best left fullback" to the ball and sticking his boot between Cole's legs for the goal after a seemingly harmless cross. Ashley Cole had to clear that ball, he had the time, beat Rooney to the spot, and yet Rooney scored kicking the ball through his legs FFS!

Shocking defending by Ashley Cole, Terry. Bosingwa's worst game. Cristiano woke up today. Good game overall by them Mancs, you gotta give it to them COTR. Congrats LRD homeboy!

Mistaken there Puro, the world best left back, put the cross.

Even if Chelsea were in crap form Man Utd can still get alot from winning 3-0 against a titel rival and that is really what matters in the isn't. the win will overshadow the fact that Rooney shouldn't have been on the pitch
(not my saying but the board, so won't judge untill i see highlights in a bit)
If Man Utd go on a good run now people will forget what Benitez said unless something dramatical happens where Man Utd go all out on the ref.

Super Madrid wrote:Even if Chelsea were in crap form Man Utd can still get alot from winning 3-0 against a titel rival and that is really what matters in the isn't. the win will overshadow the fact that Rooney shouldn't have been on the pitch
(not my saying but the board, so won't judge untill i see highlights in a bit)
If Man Utd go on a good run now people will forget what Benitez said unless something dramatical happens where Man Utd go all out on the ref.

Rooney won't over shadow the game at all because as many decisions went Chelsea's way as well. Ronaldo should of had a clear pen from Carvalho, Ronaldo had a goal taken off when he was onside and because a few of Chelsea's players were lucky to be on the pitch as well - Carvalho, Belletti & Mikel was being just as c*ntish.

Plus it should of been more than 3-0 anyway.

Wasn’t the first time today Carvalho got away with his antics in the penalty box.

Parks lives wrote:

Super Madrid wrote:Even if Chelsea were in crap form Man Utd can still get alot from winning 3-0 against a titel rival and that is really what matters in the isn't. the win will overshadow the fact that Rooney shouldn't have been on the pitch
(not my saying but the board, so won't judge untill i see highlights in a bit)
If Man Utd go on a good run now people will forget what Benitez said unless something dramatical happens where Man Utd go all out on the ref.

Rooney won't over shadow the game at all because as many decisions went Chelsea's way as well. Ronaldo should of had a clear pen from Carvalho, Ronaldo had a goal taken off when he was onside and because a few of Chelsea's players were lucky to be on the pitch as well - Carvalho, Belletti & Mikel was being just as c*ntish.

Plus it should of been more than 3-0 anyway.

Sure i can't say because I just missed the freckin highlights.
but you miss my point.it is not about what happens in details about the other players but that Rooney constantly gets away with stuff. not sure if that made my point any clearer.
anyway like i said if Man Utd keep winning without anything big incident ala Evra gate then people will forget Benitez's word. Doesn't mean Benitez lost the battle but that his mindgames had no effect.

Parks lives wrote:

kas wrote:What a performance by Man. Utd. Chelsea were outclassed in every area of the pitch. They showed some of the same frailties from earlier in this season, with a dysfunctional midfield the main problem. But they looked even more ineffective because of Man. Utd's defensive play...

Vidic, what a f@cking defender this guy is...did he even miss one tackle or header all game long? Gary Neville was great too, and I was one of those who had written him off after his feeble attempts at a comeback and Rafael's emergence. The Chelsea midfield and attack were simply not as committed as the Man. Utd. players, who were really fired up by the crowd and went for it all through the 90 mins.

I think alot of people wrote off Neville, myself included. However it usually takes a player with his length of injury a few months to get it back plus his age makes it even harder.

Subject: Re: Manchester United fans are all queers Yesterday at 6:05 pm


Parky: (That's the best performance Giggs has put in for us in years. Absolutely brilliant.
Nearly every one else played well also. Thought Park, Evra and Rooney were great especially.

Couldn't help but smirk at Ballack after his usual arrogant comments in the paper today, "Liverpool will be our main challengers this season". Like they are Champions or even well out in front in the league. He played like a c*nt as well.

18th league title coming up. }

Two comments that needed a fair and balanced reply for Dick.

Well, well, well.

What can i say - out TV jinx finally ends...all season every televised game has been a bore....finally a decent one with a decent result.

Well, i predicted 3-0....!

Neville - I was surprised to old Neville in the team - but he did well.

Vidic - Awsome. Perfect. What a defended - clearly the best in the world! I though he was an excellent mentor to Evans!

Evans - a VERY reassured performance - i was worried without Rio, but hell we have another excellent CB in the making!

Evra - what an AWSOME performance - best LB in the world! Hope his injury is not serious.

Park - hard worker - but did not release the ball early when a pass was necessary and then gets caught out. I was not impressed. He can be so-so for me.

Giggs - Well, well.....BRILLIANCE is for life!

Fletcher - I knew he would be up for it....had the Chelsea MF in his pocket!

TRW - What an amazing performance - 2 goals unfairly disallowed. Almost hacked to death. WPoTY!

Berb - Nice goal.

TRB - FFS cool down ye conte....good goal....black jacked Ashley Cole!


SAF - Seriously PWNED Rafa

Rafa - Thank ee sir - with ye around SAF does not have to give pre-match team talks! Keep up the good work!

Park

'Black Jacked Ashley Cole'.

Did I just imagine that moment in the 2nd half when an unfit, unmotivated Drogba gave Vidic an almighty raping before playing a one-two with Lampard and hitting a shot out ofor a throw ?

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Did I just imagine that moment in the 2nd half when an unfit, unmotivated Drogba gave Vidic an almighty raping before playing a one-two with Lampard and hitting a shot out ofor a throw ?

Who's scored more goals this season? Vidic or Drogba?

L-r d wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Did I just imagine that moment in the 2nd half when an unfit, unmotivated Drogba gave Vidic an almighty raping before playing a one-two with Lampard and hitting a shot out ofor a throw ?

Who's scored more goals this season? Vidic or Drogba?

I haven't a clue - what about assists, does Vidic get one for assaulting the keeper away to Blackburn?

he should get an assist for the American football style block he made for Berbatov's goal yesterday

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

L-r d wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Did I just imagine that moment in the 2nd half when an unfit, unmotivated Drogba gave Vidic an almighty raping before playing a one-two with Lampard and hitting a shot out ofor a throw ?

Who's scored more goals this season? Vidic or Drogba?

I haven't a clue - what about assists, does Vidic get one for assaulting the keeper away to Blackburn?

Drogba's never done that. The answer is Vidic btw

I have to say, Vidic gets away with a lot of shit - the only difference between him and Fellaini is that he plays for Man Utd.

The only difference

DS wrote:He was referring to the offside and the wrongly ruled out corner goal, offside was marginal, he was on for me.

how was it wrongly ruled out?

Tell me what would have happened if, after Rooney had rolled the ball backward and nonchalantly walked away, a Chelsea player had run over and cleared the ball up field.

Tell me what would have happened.

It would have been wrongly brought back to be re-taken.

do you think Rooney would say fair enough, I was caught, or do you think he would be leading the charge?

There can be no complaints that this goal was ruled out.

Cristiano Glennaldo wrote:

DS wrote:He was referring to the offside and the wrongly ruled out corner goal, offside was marginal, he was on for me.

how was it wrongly ruled out?

Tell me what would have happened if, after Rooney had rolled the ball backward and nonchalantly walked away, a Chelsea player had run over and cleared the ball up field.

Tell me what would have happened.

Are you really that bored?

Cristiano Glennaldo wrote:do you think Rooney would say fair enough, I was caught, or do you think he would be leading the charge?

There can be no complaints that this goal was ruled out.

Clearly there can. Im sure Rooney would be leading the charge, I dont see why that matters. I dont think you have a point here.

Parks lives wrote:

Cristiano Glennaldo wrote:

DS wrote:He was referring to the offside and the wrongly ruled out corner goal, offside was marginal, he was on for me.

how was it wrongly ruled out?

Tell me what would have happened if, after Rooney had rolled the ball backward and nonchalantly walked away, a Chelsea player had run over and cleared the ball up field.

Tell me what would have happened.

Are you really that bored?

Yes

borocooper wrote:

Cristiano Glennaldo wrote:do you think Rooney would say fair enough, I was caught, or do you think he would be leading the charge?

There can be no complaints that this goal was ruled out.

Clearly there can. Im sure Rooney would be leading the charge, I dont see why that matters. I dont think you have a point here.

the ball hadn't moved it's full circumference so it wasn't in play.

Im sure that matters.