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    Post by Sgoater1 Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:09 pm

    Ray Parlour wrote:Sagna and Clichy are not defensively solid Laugh

    If you watched Arsenal games last season you would have seen how many points Almunia won us singlehandedly.

    Anyone will be able to give us a game? I really wish teams would. If you count parking the bus as giving us a game then good luck to you.

    Again if we were in such a bad state we wouldn't have gone 21 games unbeaten last season or reached two semi-finals.

    I wish people would stop jumping to conclusions.

    We didnt park the bus at COMs last season Very Happy
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    Post by Romford Pele Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:11 pm

    L r dd wrote:
    Ray Parlour wrote:Sagna and Clichy are not defensively solid Laugh

    If you watched Arsenal games last season you would have seen how many points Almunia won us singlehandedly.

    Anyone will be able to give us a game? I really wish teams would. If you count parking the bus as giving us a game then good luck to you.

    Again if we were in such a bad state we wouldn't have gone 21 games unbeaten last season or reached two semi-finals.

    I wish people would stop jumping to conclusions.

    Wait are you saying Clichy and Sagna are solid defensivly? there strong points are going forward. Clichy was nightmare for cock ups or defensive lapses and Sagna hasnt looked great from what i seen.

    Almunia is not a great goalkeeper any keeper in goal will make a number of saves but is he one of the best out there? no. I rarely saw him make saves that most keepers wouldn't make and that's what seperates the best. Lehmann wasnt the best keeper ever but when he had his good season it was a lot better than whati seen from Almunia.

    21 games unbeaten sounds better than it was. You went three games 0-0 back to back during that with a number of draws against shite also. You fucking deserved to finish 5th before the Arshavin one man show.

    In the semi final i watched you could have lost both legs 4-0. Yet you think because you narrowly and luckily got through on penalties in the previous round it's something to shout about?

    Come on get real dude Ale

    Clichy was off the boil last season but then so was the whole team to be honest. This guy has hardly ever been beaten in a one on one situation by an attacker. Sagna suffered a little bit from SSS last year but ditto Clichy I challenege you to find many defensively solid RB's in the league. His all rounf game is amazing. The only thing that lets him down is his final ball.

    You obviously didn't watch a lot of Almunia last season. If it wasn't for him and Arshavin I doubt we would have finished fourth. Games like Villa and Newcastle away he made more than enough saves otherwise the scorelines in those games would have been a lot different.

    Your not going to play well in every game are you? Nasri and RVP also played massive roles so do your research before commenting.

    Lost both legs 4-0? Are you having a laugh? First leg you dicked us I can accept that but in the second leg your goals were through lack of concentration and mistakes rather than outplaying us.

    Just to clarify as well the round before we played you we beat Villarrea. We beat Roma on penalties in the last 16. We shot ourselves in the foot therer though because we should have been about 7-0 up from the first leg and that is no understatement.


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    Post by Romford Pele Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:12 pm

    Sgoater1 wrote:
    Ray Parlour wrote:Sagna and Clichy are not defensively solid Laugh

    If you watched Arsenal games last season you would have seen how many points Almunia won us singlehandedly.

    Anyone will be able to give us a game? I really wish teams would. If you count parking the bus as giving us a game then good luck to you.

    Again if we were in such a bad state we wouldn't have gone 21 games unbeaten last season or reached two semi-finals.

    I wish people would stop jumping to conclusions.

    We didnt park the bus at COMs last season Very Happy

    Do you remember the team we put out that day Goater Laughing
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    Post by Romford Pele Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:13 pm

    Jaime wrote:
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    Jaime wrote:If they sign Huntelaar they will be ok hint, hint

    I hope he stays and adds to your wage bill Razz

    Is it possible to add to a wage bill that you are already on?

    Anyway, you better hurry because Milan are back in the race now that Luis Fabiano is staying in Sevilla. ok

    You know what I meant. Milan are welcome to have him IMO <Ale>
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:58 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:No matter if it is a good deal for Arsenal or not, if very likely is (but City basically always overpay), there is a danger of what we call "Substanzverlust" in German - too much 'substance', too many starters, lost. Even if those players didn't have a great season, it won't be that easy to replace them, if they are replaced at all that is. New players will need time to get used to the team and league, and the new season is going to start soon.

    It's simply not what a top team, a team that wants to challenge for the league and in Europe, does.

    ok

    Toure hasn't played particularly well for a couple of years now, and £16m is good money for him (and wages of £120,000 are ridiculous, but that's what we've come to expect from City), but I don't want him to go.

    He is our longest serving player, one of our few experienced players, the one genuine link in the squad to when we had a successful team, and a popular player with the team and the supporters.

    Our centre-backs are now someone getting towards the end of his career, someone who is unproven in this country, a talented young defender, our first choice defensive midfielder, and Senderos - who Wenger is trying to get rid of. It's not worth including Silvestre in the list, he shouldn't ever play for the club, and should be sold as soon as possible.

    This has been four or five years now where we've let important players leave, and in none of those years have we actually strengthened the squad. It's a continual state of maintaining what we have, or letting our squad weaken. As you say, the substance of the team is continually being undermined and weakened.

    We really need to bring in reinforcements now, but it's been pretty quiet in that respect. We arguably need a new striker (Bendtner is our only physically strong forward now), a defensive midfielder and a new centre-back, and I think the chance of us bringing in more than one player is slim. I must admit, this is really concerning me now. The whole club appears to have lost its direction. There are too many distractions off the pitch, and I just can't see a clear plan from Wenger to improve the team and our fortunes on the pitch. We're just drifting, and are falling further away from the leaders, and worryingly close to the teams below us. We haven't got long before the start of the season, and we must use the time wisely. (Sorry to start posting again with a large dose of pessimism!)

    Toure can do ok for City, but they really need a strong leader at the back alongside him. When Toure has someone directing him and keeping him focused he is fine. He gets a little bit into headless chicken mode without that though.
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:03 pm

    Quite. I'm wondering if we would sell Kolo if we haven't got someone else lined up.
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    Post by COTR Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:07 pm

    Wenger will think he is covered after signing Vermaelan.

    If he doesn't sign a top class centre mid he should be taken out and flogged, although he may well enjoy that
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    Post by Sgoater1 Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:22 pm

    COTR #1 wrote:Wenger will think he is covered after signing Vermaelan.

    If he doesn't sign a top class centre mid he should be taken out and flogged, although he may well enjoy that


    They should never have let Diarra go to pompey.
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    Post by Rosicky Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:39 pm

    Wenger has fucking lost the plot.

    GET HIM OUT NOW Grr
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    Post by Romford Pele Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:03 pm

    Sgoater1 wrote:
    COTR #1 wrote:Wenger will think he is covered after signing Vermaelan.

    If he doesn't sign a top class centre mid he should be taken out and flogged, although he may well enjoy that


    They should never have let Diarra go to pompey.

    We never wanted to. His ego forced himself out.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:14 pm

    lol!

    yeah Diarra certainly got found out
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:22 pm

    The whole Diarra thing was hilarious, because it was *so clear* that Flamini was gonna up sticks at the end of the season. Let's not forget that he had Palacios on trial too - and then bizarrely recommended him to Steve Bruce...

    It would be fair to say that If Liverpool fail to keep Masch & in particular Alonso, then all of the SKY4 have major Question marks hanging over them coming into this season. Heck, the pendulum may have even swung towards Chelsea. Joe Cole will be like a new signing and Zhirkov will give more consistency than Malouda.
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    Post by Romford Pele Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:25 pm

    How was it clear in December Fams was going to up and leave? Palacios was at Birmingham at the time TS scratch
    Palacios was on trial in like 2006 so I don't know where your getting your facts from.
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:30 pm

    It's still one of the most infuriating decisions of recent years. Even if Flamini had stayed, Gilberto was almost certainly leaving. There was absolutely no reason to sell him in January. We could have loaned him out in January, and then reassessed the situation in the summer. If he was surplus to requirements then we could have sold him (and possibly for more seeing as he had a successful spell at Portsmouth). As it turned out, we did need him, so he could have come back and fitted into the team, and a starting position in the side. The whole situation revolving around the three defensive midfielders (Gilberto/Flamini/Diarra) couldn't have been handled much worse.
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    Post by Romford Pele Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:32 pm

    That is true but at this point hadn't Deinleft which left a lot of pressure on Arsene to handle on and off the pitch saga's?

    Not a valid excuse really as the situation still should have been handled beter not leaving the mantle for Denilson to pick up last season.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:33 pm

    MadVillain™️ wrote:The whole Diarra thing was hilarious, because it was *so clear* that Flamini was gonna up sticks at the end of the season. Let's not forget that he had Palacios on trial too - and then bizarrely recommended him to Steve Bruce...

    It would be fair to say that If Liverpool fail to keep Masch & in particular Alonso, then all of the SKY4 have major Question marks hanging over them coming into this season. Heck, the pendulum may have even swung towards Chelsea. Joe Cole will be like a new signing and Zhirkov will give more consistency than Malouda.

    Chelsea would already be clear favourites if not for the ACON and a probably prioritisation of the CL. Ancelotti should be able to equal Avram Grant's achievements as a minimum.
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    Post by Batman Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:33 pm

    Wenger is cracking up?

    He sells Henry and Adebayor a season too late and misses out on a further £20m.

    Forces Diarra and Flamini out of the club.

    Doesn't sign Palacios and Yaya Toure when he has the chance.
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    Post by Romford Pele Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:34 pm

    How did he force Flamini and Diarra out?

    Palacios was on trial when we were well stocked in the CM area and we couldn't obtain a work permit for Yaya.
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    Post by Batman Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:49 pm

    Ray Parlour wrote:How did he force Flamini and Diarra out?

    Palacios was on trial when we were well stocked in the CM area and we couldn't obtain a work permit for Yaya.

    if he wanted Flamini to stay then he should have offered him a new deal sooner.

    Diarra - played him in more games.

    you signed Diarra in the summer of 2007.

    Yaya joined Barca in the summer of 2007 for around £6m.

    i don't see how Arsenal could not have signed him if Wenger really wanted him.

    i guess he didn't rate him.

    Palacios was also on trial in the summer of 2007.

    What was the Arsenal CM players in 2007?
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    Post by Romford Pele Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:04 pm

    Flamini wanted to move to AC Milan, you can't stop that.

    Where was Diarra going to play. Flamini was having the season of his life.

    We had Yaya on trial when he was younger and it is well documented that we wanted to get him but as I said before the work permit prohibited this.

    Well Palacios would have been behind the likes of Gilberto, Flamini, Cesc and Diaby and Denilson for starters.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:14 pm

    it was a mistake Ray, deal with it

    every time I saw Diarra play for Arsenal he was outstanding. Wanger should not have let him go before Flamini signed a new contract.

    Perhaps Wanger saw Flamini and Diarra doing so well in the destroyer role and thought it was the team than made them look great and that they would be easily replaced.

    No idea what went on with Palacios or Toure.
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    Post by Romford Pele Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:17 pm

    If a player is adamant he wants to leave, what are you supposed to do? Diarra wanted to be first choice alongside Cesc but at the time it was not possible because of Flamini's form.

    Wenger is still at fault though as 3 Destroyer's leaving in 6 months and not being replaced is ridiculous.
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    Post by Batman Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:33 pm

    Ray Parlour wrote:Flamini wanted to move to AC Milan, you can't stop that.

    duh, because Milan are a bigger club. but i doubt Milan wanted to sign him the summer before or the season before. it was only after him having a really good season for Arsenal did Milan want him.

    why didn't Wenger offer him a new contract 12 months earlier?


    Where was Diarra going to play. Flamini was having the season of his life.

    rotation, then you might have won something

    We had Yaya on trial when he was younger and it is well documented that we wanted to get him but as I said before the work permit prohibited this.

    i think this is bs made up by Wenger. you can sign Denilson aged 18 but not Yaya Toure after he has played for Olympiacos?

    2006
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    Monaco sign Yaya Toure


    Well Palacios would have been behind the likes of Gilberto, Flamini, Cesc and Diaby and Denilson for starters.

    Why behind....

    Denilson - What has he done so far?

    Diaby - injury prone and he is better as an attacking player instead of DM player.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:38 pm

    Ray Parlour wrote:If a player is adamant he wants to leave, what are you supposed to do? Diarra wanted to be first choice alongside Cesc but at the time it was not possible because of Flamini's form.

    Wenger is still at fault though as 3 Destroyer's leaving in 6 months and not being replaced is ridiculous.

    he didn't want to leave, he wanted first team football

    I would have shifted Gilberto and put Diarra in the first team until Flamini signed his contract.
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    Post by Romford Pele Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:56 pm

    Batman wrote:
    Ray Parlour wrote:Flamini wanted to move to AC Milan, you can't stop that.

    duh, because Milan are a bigger club. but i doubt Milan wanted to sign him the summer before or the season before. it was only after him having a really good season for Arsenal did Milan want him.

    why didn't Wenger offer him a new contract 12 months earlier?


    Where was Diarra going to play. Flamini was having the season of his life.

    rotation, then you might have won something

    We had Yaya on trial when he was younger and it is well documented that we wanted to get him but as I said before the work permit prohibited this.

    i think this is bs made up by Wenger. you can sign Denilson aged 18 but not Yaya Toure after he has played for Olympiacos?

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    Monaco sign Yaya Toure


    Well Palacios would have been behind the likes of Gilberto, Flamini, Cesc and Diaby and Denilson for starters.

    Why behind....

    Denilson - What has he done so far?

    Diaby - injury prone and he is better as an attacking player instead of DM player.

    We were due to get shot of Flamini in the summerof 2007 but a move didn't materialise.

    Rotate what? Diarra was getting games. If he had bided his time I'm sure he would have got more games. He can't just move to a new club and expect to be first choice.

    Diaby is essentially a CM.

    Go and concentrate on the flaws of your own team Batmobile. When you know more about my team than I do and stop visiting the cinema every matchday then we'll talk.
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    Post by Romford Pele Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:58 pm

    Daniela Glennby-Ashe wrote:
    Ray Parlour wrote:If a player is adamant he wants to leave, what are you supposed to do? Diarra wanted to be first choice alongside Cesc but at the time it was not possible because of Flamini's form.

    Wenger is still at fault though as 3 Destroyer's leaving in 6 months and not being replaced is ridiculous.

    he didn't want to leave, he wanted first team football

    I would have shifted Gilberto and put Diarra in the first team until Flamini signed his contract.

    He should have given it longer than 6 months.

    Gilberto wasn't in the first team either. Flamini was essentially the number one partner for Cesc. Diarra would have got more playing time but was not willing to wait.

    He moved to Pompey because he wanted to play in Euro 2008 but didn't even get called up Doh
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    Post by Batman Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:59 pm

    omg i went to the cinema once this year, when will people move on?

    anyway, so i guess you think Diaby and Denilson are better than Palacios.

    interesting.......
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    Post by Romford Pele Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:00 am

    Where did I say they were better than Palacios?
    I would love to have him but not for the price those Yidos paid.
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:01 am

    Batman wrote:omg i went to the cinema once this year, when will people move on?

    anyway, so i guess you think Diaby and Denilson are better than Palacios.

    interesting.......

    I went yesterday to see Harry Potter cheers
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    Post by Romford Pele Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:03 am

    I'm going to see The Proposal tomorrow cheers

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