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christmasborocooper- Number of posts : 39348
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Jaime- Number of posts : 32027
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Unflinching Frenchman wrote:Jaime wrote:Benzema has been quite poor. The only time he has really looked the part was against Tenerife. He showed a lot of good signs in preseason but has not been able to find anything closely resembling form since.
Wrong time to move. He was woefully out of form last year. I guess he moved to Madrid with hopes of cementing his place for French starting-11 and getting a motivation playing in best league in the world. Things don't look better, and he is now behind Anelka, Gignac and Henry in pecking order. I hope this gives him enough motivation.
I really believe in his ability but last year, especially seeing him against Barcelona in the CL, you could tell he was still very green. It sounds like he has had a difficult time adapting to Spain and Spanish football. Hard to say, maybe he should have stayed. But sometimes the change of scenery can be a catalyst for a player to continue their progression. Hopefully he'll come good. In the meantime, Higuain should be ahead of him in the team.
elbecko- Number of posts : 1129
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I was thinking of an equally bad first-leg result in Copa when we were beaten 6-1 by Zaragoza (2005-06). In terms of the goal difference that was worse than yesterday, but we at least scored one and the opponent was in Primera. The fact that we were beaten by the team that lost to Atletico B at home 1-2 a few weeks ago is one of if not the biggest humiliation in the history of the club. Which will remain so even IF we overcome the deficit in the return match at Bernabeu, which I must admit is unlikely. (We came so close but failed in 2005-06.)
BTW, I am against sacking of Perigllini, though I'm worried about the level of performance the players are showing, which is almost as bad as under Schuster when everyone seems to be going backwards. I hope he can improve them quickly.
BTW, I am against sacking of Perigllini, though I'm worried about the level of performance the players are showing, which is almost as bad as under Schuster when everyone seems to be going backwards. I hope he can improve them quickly.
Jaime- Number of posts : 32027
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Madrid press pile pressure on Pellegrini
It may have been a miserable Tuesday night for Real Madrid but it was a magnificent one for the glaziers of the city.
As Alcorcón’s fourth goal flew in, the squeal of protest from a fist-flying Florentino Pérez in his presidential high chair was so piercing that it shattered windows for miles around Alcorcón’s Santo Domingo stadium – the scene of what is being described in Wednesday’s press as the lowest point in Real Madrid’s history.
Since the last one, anyway.
An omen of the wonderfully entertaining events to come were perhaps to be found in the tea leaves of Tuesday’s Madridista press, which featured the freebie-loving footballers at a promotional event for Audi the day before, accepting their sponsor-provided cars for the season.
The two Diarras selected the most expensive models worth around €160,000 each, while a more modest Arbeloa went for a cheeky Coupé costing a mere €51,290.
An enterprising TV station visited the car park at Alcorcón to compare these pimp-mobiles with the models owned by Tuesday’s Copa del Rey opponents.
Unsurprisingly, the cars were a little less flashy, considering the average annual salary of a player in the Segunda B (third tier) outfit is €36,000 - €4,500 times smaller than Cristiano Ronaldo’s pay-packet.
It was the set-up for the mother of all pratfalls and Real Madrid’s pampered players duly obliged.
Tuesday's blog complained that the Copa del Rey was completely devoid of drama unless a team as utterly incompetent as Real Madrid stumble along and stuff things up completely.
The Castle Greyskull outfit were booted out of the tournament by Real Uníon at this stage last season in a similar manner and - bless their satin socks - they look set to be following the same pathetic path, once again, against another lower-league outfit.
But Alcorcón can perhaps count themselves lucky to face a weakened Madrid side forced to field the likes of Benzema, Van der Vaart, Lady Gago and Raúl.
And they took advantage of their injury-ravaged opponents by going 3-0 up by half-time and finishing the match with four. And very nearly five. Without reply.
However, Raúl is very much with the stiff upper lip and claims that there is all to play for in the Bernabeu on November 10.
“If there’s any team that knows how to come back, it’s Madrid,” said the club captain, happily ignoring recent two-legged ties against Real Uníon, Liverpool, Betis, Bayern Munich, Arsenal...
Unsurprisingly, the reaction to the 4-0 reverse in Wednesday’s Madridista press is less than sympathetic.
“A disgrace!” yells AS from the front cover, “the joke of the century.”
Inside, poor Tomás Roncero describes the game as “the biggest humiliation I can remember in my 44 years of militant Madridismo.”
The crackpot columnist then wails that “millions of Madridistas were embarrassed in their homes.”
La Liga Loca thinks that tantrum-tastic Tomás should count his blessings.
Real Madrid fans are normally humiliated at the Bernabeu. Or in bars. At least Tuesday night was more private.
Marca’s main role in the post-match panic is to ensure that Florentino Pérez should not be blamed for any of the recent reverses suffered by his expensively-assembled side.
“Get out!” blasts the paper’s front cover on Wednesday over a picture of Third-Choice Chilean Manuel Pellegrini.
“Madrid haven’t played a decent, complete game of football all season,” notes Santiago Segurola inside.
Roberto Gómez agrees that the loss to Alcorcón was the worst in Madrid’s history and is all with the told-you-so in his column, tucked away on page 12.
“They called me anti-Madridista, anti-Valdano, anti-Pellegrini, but sadly time has proved that I was right,” ranted a not-sounding-sad-at-all Roberto.
“Florentino has played his role,” grovels Wednesday’s editorial which comes THAT close to calling for his firing: “It’s Pellegrini who hasn’t fulfilled his requirements.”
The Barcelona papers are - to be vulgar, but hey, this is Spain - p*ssing their pants with the hilarity of the situation.
And who can blame them?
“Ridiculo Historico!” yells Sport with Josep Maria Casanovas writing that “this is the beginning of the end for Pellegrini.”
Mundo Deportivo are equally as jubilant with a front cover blasting “Humiliation!"
However, there is some light at the end of the tunnel for miserable Madridistas who need something to cheer them up after their latest humiliation.
Florentino Pérez is set to give a lecture to a university in Alicante on Wednesday night, on “the management model of Real Madrid.”
That's surely good for a few giggles to help turn those frowns upside down.
http://fourfourtwo.com/blogs/laligaloca/archive/2009/10/28/madrid-press-pile-pressure-on-pellegrini.aspx
It may have been a miserable Tuesday night for Real Madrid but it was a magnificent one for the glaziers of the city.
As Alcorcón’s fourth goal flew in, the squeal of protest from a fist-flying Florentino Pérez in his presidential high chair was so piercing that it shattered windows for miles around Alcorcón’s Santo Domingo stadium – the scene of what is being described in Wednesday’s press as the lowest point in Real Madrid’s history.
Since the last one, anyway.
An omen of the wonderfully entertaining events to come were perhaps to be found in the tea leaves of Tuesday’s Madridista press, which featured the freebie-loving footballers at a promotional event for Audi the day before, accepting their sponsor-provided cars for the season.
The two Diarras selected the most expensive models worth around €160,000 each, while a more modest Arbeloa went for a cheeky Coupé costing a mere €51,290.
An enterprising TV station visited the car park at Alcorcón to compare these pimp-mobiles with the models owned by Tuesday’s Copa del Rey opponents.
Unsurprisingly, the cars were a little less flashy, considering the average annual salary of a player in the Segunda B (third tier) outfit is €36,000 - €4,500 times smaller than Cristiano Ronaldo’s pay-packet.
It was the set-up for the mother of all pratfalls and Real Madrid’s pampered players duly obliged.
Tuesday's blog complained that the Copa del Rey was completely devoid of drama unless a team as utterly incompetent as Real Madrid stumble along and stuff things up completely.
The Castle Greyskull outfit were booted out of the tournament by Real Uníon at this stage last season in a similar manner and - bless their satin socks - they look set to be following the same pathetic path, once again, against another lower-league outfit.
But Alcorcón can perhaps count themselves lucky to face a weakened Madrid side forced to field the likes of Benzema, Van der Vaart, Lady Gago and Raúl.
And they took advantage of their injury-ravaged opponents by going 3-0 up by half-time and finishing the match with four. And very nearly five. Without reply.
However, Raúl is very much with the stiff upper lip and claims that there is all to play for in the Bernabeu on November 10.
“If there’s any team that knows how to come back, it’s Madrid,” said the club captain, happily ignoring recent two-legged ties against Real Uníon, Liverpool, Betis, Bayern Munich, Arsenal...
Unsurprisingly, the reaction to the 4-0 reverse in Wednesday’s Madridista press is less than sympathetic.
“A disgrace!” yells AS from the front cover, “the joke of the century.”
Inside, poor Tomás Roncero describes the game as “the biggest humiliation I can remember in my 44 years of militant Madridismo.”
The crackpot columnist then wails that “millions of Madridistas were embarrassed in their homes.”
La Liga Loca thinks that tantrum-tastic Tomás should count his blessings.
Real Madrid fans are normally humiliated at the Bernabeu. Or in bars. At least Tuesday night was more private.
Marca’s main role in the post-match panic is to ensure that Florentino Pérez should not be blamed for any of the recent reverses suffered by his expensively-assembled side.
“Get out!” blasts the paper’s front cover on Wednesday over a picture of Third-Choice Chilean Manuel Pellegrini.
“Madrid haven’t played a decent, complete game of football all season,” notes Santiago Segurola inside.
Roberto Gómez agrees that the loss to Alcorcón was the worst in Madrid’s history and is all with the told-you-so in his column, tucked away on page 12.
“They called me anti-Madridista, anti-Valdano, anti-Pellegrini, but sadly time has proved that I was right,” ranted a not-sounding-sad-at-all Roberto.
“Florentino has played his role,” grovels Wednesday’s editorial which comes THAT close to calling for his firing: “It’s Pellegrini who hasn’t fulfilled his requirements.”
The Barcelona papers are - to be vulgar, but hey, this is Spain - p*ssing their pants with the hilarity of the situation.
And who can blame them?
“Ridiculo Historico!” yells Sport with Josep Maria Casanovas writing that “this is the beginning of the end for Pellegrini.”
Mundo Deportivo are equally as jubilant with a front cover blasting “Humiliation!"
However, there is some light at the end of the tunnel for miserable Madridistas who need something to cheer them up after their latest humiliation.
Florentino Pérez is set to give a lecture to a university in Alicante on Wednesday night, on “the management model of Real Madrid.”
That's surely good for a few giggles to help turn those frowns upside down.
http://fourfourtwo.com/blogs/laligaloca/archive/2009/10/28/madrid-press-pile-pressure-on-pellegrini.aspx
elbecko- Number of posts : 1129
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I agree.Jaime wrote:Unflinching Frenchman wrote:Jaime wrote:Benzema has been quite poor. The only time he has really looked the part was against Tenerife. He showed a lot of good signs in preseason but has not been able to find anything closely resembling form since.
Wrong time to move. He was woefully out of form last year. I guess he moved to Madrid with hopes of cementing his place for French starting-11 and getting a motivation playing in best league in the world. Things don't look better, and he is now behind Anelka, Gignac and Henry in pecking order. I hope this gives him enough motivation.
I really believe in his ability but last year, especially seeing him against Barcelona in the CL, you could tell he was still very green. It sounds like he has had a difficult time adapting to Spain and Spanish football. Hard to say, maybe he should have stayed. But sometimes the change of scenery can be a catalyst for a player to continue their progression. Hopefully he'll come good. In the meantime, Higuain should be ahead of him in the team.
However, I'm not sure that will do good to his already fragile confidence though I personally think any player who cannot rise above being benched after playing poorly has no place in our club.
Jaime- Number of posts : 32027
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elbecko wrote:I agree.Jaime wrote:Unflinching Frenchman wrote:Jaime wrote:Benzema has been quite poor. The only time he has really looked the part was against Tenerife. He showed a lot of good signs in preseason but has not been able to find anything closely resembling form since.
Wrong time to move. He was woefully out of form last year. I guess he moved to Madrid with hopes of cementing his place for French starting-11 and getting a motivation playing in best league in the world. Things don't look better, and he is now behind Anelka, Gignac and Henry in pecking order. I hope this gives him enough motivation.
I really believe in his ability but last year, especially seeing him against Barcelona in the CL, you could tell he was still very green. It sounds like he has had a difficult time adapting to Spain and Spanish football. Hard to say, maybe he should have stayed. But sometimes the change of scenery can be a catalyst for a player to continue their progression. Hopefully he'll come good. In the meantime, Higuain should be ahead of him in the team.
However, I'm not sure that will do good to his already fragile confidence though I personally think any player who cannot rise above being benched after playing poorly has no place in our club.
Well, and this is an important point. Talent alone does not mean you will be a success in Real Madrid. For all of Marcelo's flaws and sh!t defending he still believes in himself and never shies away from the pressure. If Benzema does not have the bottle to overcome a little adversity or a spell on the bench then we have made a terrible mistake in bringing him to the Bernabeu.
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I think it's a mistake to have signed him. Perhaps why I am not as surprised as you guys. We overpaid for him, and then Lyon sign Lisandro Lopez, who is much underrated, confident, and awesome. 
If Karim performs, He'll have proved me wrong. I hope I am wrong.
If Karim performs, He'll have proved me wrong. I hope I am wrong.
Jaime- Number of posts : 32027
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It's still too soon to proclaim Benzema a failure or a mistake or anything like that in my opinion. We did overpay for him but still I thought he wouldn't have had as much trouble settling. Like I said, hopefully he comes good. A lot of people wanted to get rid of Higuain after his first six months because he couldn't score to save his life. The only difference is that Higuain didn't hide, he kept working hard on the pitch, and played with guts. We'll see if Benzema has it in him or not.
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christmasborocooper- Number of posts : 39348
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Imagine the goals you could've had
Jaime- Number of posts : 32027
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borocooper wrote:Imagine the goals you could've had
You mean all those goals The Hunter is scoring for Milan?
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Benzema's mentality is a bit weaker than a fighter like Higuain. When he hit a bad form, he kept getting worse for Lyon. Although there is nothing like he can't learn from past.
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CR9 sigue de baja y pasará otra prueba dentro de una semana
Al Real Madrid tampoco le llegan buenas noticias de la enfermería. Cristiano Ronaldo se ha sometido este miércoles a nuevas pruebas para comprobar la evolución de su lesión de tobillo. El luso aún presenta un edema en la zona afectada. Dentro de una semana se le harán nuevas pruebas, lo que implica que será baja, como estaba previsto, ante el Getafe y, también ante el Milan.
La visita a San Siro había sido señalada por el propio Cristiano como posible fecha para su regreso, pero, según el parte médico emitido por el club, el jugador "se mantiene de baja hasta nuevo control en una semana". Es decir, hasta el miércoles 4 de noviembre, 24 horas después de la visita de los blancos a San Siro.
Cristiano se ha sometido este mediodía a una resonancia magnética en la que se ha evidenciado la mejoría general del esguince de tobillo que le mantiene de baja desde el pasado día 10. Pero, al mismo tiempo, los médicos han verificado que, aunque ha disminuido, el edema en la articulación lesionada no ha desaparecido del todo.
Ése, además de la lógica precaución con la que los servicios médicos están manejando la lesión del crack portugués tras su controvertida recaída en el partido entre Portugal y Hungría, ha sido el motivo por el cual CR9 deberá esperar al menos una semana más para saber cuándo podrá volver a jugar.
http://www.marca.com/2009/10/28/futbol/equipos/real_madrid/1256740042.html
More good news...
Al Real Madrid tampoco le llegan buenas noticias de la enfermería. Cristiano Ronaldo se ha sometido este miércoles a nuevas pruebas para comprobar la evolución de su lesión de tobillo. El luso aún presenta un edema en la zona afectada. Dentro de una semana se le harán nuevas pruebas, lo que implica que será baja, como estaba previsto, ante el Getafe y, también ante el Milan.
La visita a San Siro había sido señalada por el propio Cristiano como posible fecha para su regreso, pero, según el parte médico emitido por el club, el jugador "se mantiene de baja hasta nuevo control en una semana". Es decir, hasta el miércoles 4 de noviembre, 24 horas después de la visita de los blancos a San Siro.
Cristiano se ha sometido este mediodía a una resonancia magnética en la que se ha evidenciado la mejoría general del esguince de tobillo que le mantiene de baja desde el pasado día 10. Pero, al mismo tiempo, los médicos han verificado que, aunque ha disminuido, el edema en la articulación lesionada no ha desaparecido del todo.
Ése, además de la lógica precaución con la que los servicios médicos están manejando la lesión del crack portugués tras su controvertida recaída en el partido entre Portugal y Hungría, ha sido el motivo por el cual CR9 deberá esperar al menos una semana más para saber cuándo podrá volver a jugar.
http://www.marca.com/2009/10/28/futbol/equipos/real_madrid/1256740042.html
More good news...
elbecko- Number of posts : 1129
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He'd likely to be back just in time for his international play-off matches...Jaime wrote:CR9 sigue de baja y pasará otra prueba dentro de una semana
Al Real Madrid tampoco le llegan buenas noticias de la enfermería. Cristiano Ronaldo se ha sometido este miércoles a nuevas pruebas para comprobar la evolución de su lesión de tobillo. El luso aún presenta un edema en la zona afectada. Dentro de una semana se le harán nuevas pruebas, lo que implica que será baja, como estaba previsto, ante el Getafe y, también ante el Milan.
La visita a San Siro había sido señalada por el propio Cristiano como posible fecha para su regreso, pero, según el parte médico emitido por el club, el jugador "se mantiene de baja hasta nuevo control en una semana". Es decir, hasta el miércoles 4 de noviembre, 24 horas después de la visita de los blancos a San Siro.
Cristiano se ha sometido este mediodía a una resonancia magnética en la que se ha evidenciado la mejoría general del esguince de tobillo que le mantiene de baja desde el pasado día 10. Pero, al mismo tiempo, los médicos han verificado que, aunque ha disminuido, el edema en la articulación lesionada no ha desaparecido del todo.
Ése, además de la lógica precaución con la que los servicios médicos están manejando la lesión del crack portugués tras su controvertida recaída en el partido entre Portugal y Hungría, ha sido el motivo por el cual CR9 deberá esperar al menos una semana más para saber cuándo podrá volver a jugar.
http://www.marca.com/2009/10/28/futbol/equipos/real_madrid/1256740042.html
More good news...
Then gets injured again and this time retires as the curse is completed.
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Was just hearing that Borja, who scored the final Alcorcon goal last night, is an ex-canterano of ours. 
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I really don't think sacking Pellegrini is the answer. A slump and everyone is after his head. Who is out there anyway?
Real need continuity.
Real need continuity.
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How many Borja who are ex-canterano of ours are playing in spanish league?Jaime wrote:Was just hearing that Borja, who scored the final Alcorcon goal last night, is an ex-canterano of ours.
(Or rather how many Borja who are playing in Spanish league are not ex-canterano of ours?)
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Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:I really don't think sacking Pellegrini is the answer. A slump and everyone is after his head. Who is out there anyway?
Real need continuity.
Tho Spalletti is available if they need any options... but I would rather Spalletti take over from Lippi as the Italy coach....
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Was just watching the Extra Time(recorded Monday) programme on RMTV(English Version), and at the end of the show Frederick made a prediction of 4-0 to Real Madrid against The Mighty Alcocorn.
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And of all teams to be playing on Saturday, i don't have a good feeling about Gatafe, they will have be very fired up after what happened last season as well as seeing us getting molested on Tues night its a recipy for disaster.
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Just seen that Ernesto, another of Alcorcon's goalscorers last night, is our canterano.
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Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:I really don't think sacking Pellegrini is the answer. A slump and everyone is after his head. Who is out there anyway?
Real need continuity.
The one and only....
I hope Pellegrini is given a chance but knowing that El Genio is lurking in the shadows I wouldn't be crushed.
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What we need is for our manager's word (whoever that may be) to mean something. We need for our manager to have the authority to exile the lazy players from the team forever so that they know this shit won't fly anymore. They need to know that having a poor attitude will get them benched for good, not just until the manager gets sacked and they can start fresh under a new one. The carousel of managers has created the notion that the inmates run the asylum and this is the biggest problem we have IMO.
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King Pipita wrote:What we need is for our manager's word (whoever that may be) to mean something. We need for our manager to have the authority to exile the lazy players from the team forever so that they know this shit won't fly anymore. They need to know that having a poor attitude will get them benched for good, not just until the manager gets sacked and they can start fresh under a new one. The carousel of managers has created the notion that the inmates run the asylum and this is the biggest problem we have IMO.
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Well, hopefully Pellegrini sticks to it and doesn't put Guti back for a very long time.
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bluenine wrote:Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:I really don't think sacking Pellegrini is the answer. A slump and everyone is after his head. Who is out there anyway?
Real need continuity.
Tho Spalletti is available if they need any options... but I would rather Spalletti take over from Lippi as the Italy coach....
There's also Mancini, Juande Ramos, Laudrup, and as MD suggested today, Luis Aragones
Plus Hiddink might be available if Russia are surprised in the WC qualifiers next month.
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If that Marca cover is accurate, what's needed is not simply for Guti to be on the bench, but for him to be left out of every squad and then being sold in January. That's what any sensibly run club would do. The question is whether Valdano and Perez will back their manager and actually be ruthless with Guti.
I don't even see why it should be a tough decision. He's not exactly a Cassano in Sampdoria, if you get what I mean. The guy is a waste of space on the pitch, all he offers the team is the occasional good through ball. No pace, no strength, no leadership, no goals, zero work rate...it's baffling that he even gets picked as a starter.
@Cristiano: If I were you I wouldn't worry about Getafe - they're on a odd run where they haven't won 2 consecutive games for a long time. Though I'm not sure if that includes Copa games, because they did win last night
And I have a feeling you'll beat Milan, or at least get a draw, esp. considering Nesta went off injured in their game last night.
I don't even see why it should be a tough decision. He's not exactly a Cassano in Sampdoria, if you get what I mean. The guy is a waste of space on the pitch, all he offers the team is the occasional good through ball. No pace, no strength, no leadership, no goals, zero work rate...it's baffling that he even gets picked as a starter.
@Cristiano: If I were you I wouldn't worry about Getafe - they're on a odd run where they haven't won 2 consecutive games for a long time. Though I'm not sure if that includes Copa games, because they did win last night
And I have a feeling you'll beat Milan, or at least get a draw, esp. considering Nesta went off injured in their game last night.
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King Modric- Number of posts : 910
Supports : Real Madrid, soft spot for Liverpool
Favourite Player : Modric, Casillas, Alonso, Jese, Isco, Bale
Registration date : 2008-12-09
If Guti said that he should be out of the club. He should get the Albelda treatment and more. It doesn't matter who the manager is; those actions show a complete lack of respect for the manager's authority and any seed of them amongst the players should be stamped out. Even if we sack Pellegrini Guti should be kicked out for that. And this comes after he fell out with Juande but of course he managed to outlast Juande. That kind of attitude (although not quite as extreme) is really a result of our managers having so little authority. The players know they have nothing to fear and it manifests itself in all kinds of ways including laziness and poor results.
Torrente- Number of posts : 5489
Age : 39
Registration date : 2006-08-16
That's been part of the problem every time we hear about a "cambio de ciclo". It's not a truly new cycle if Guti, Raul, Salgado, etc. are still in the team. We finally got rid of Salgado this summer when in fact it should have happened several summers ago, while Guti and Raul should at the very least have been playing a much more secondary role in the team for several seasons now.
I really hate this "seniority" bullshit system that the club has for captains. It's a joke that Casillas is currently only our third captain, and this only happened until this season when Salgado left. It's an even bigger joke than Guti is second captain, when he's the most spoiled and least hard-working member of the squad.
Pellegrini should really make Casillas captain (which would also make it easier to bench Raul), and have Guti train with the reserves for a long spell. Ideally Guti would be expelled from the club, but unfortunately he belongs to the Valdano/Raul clique, and they won't allow that to happen.
Expect a Raul interview soon where he talks about how sorry Guti is and that he should be forgiven, and Guti to make an interview later on when he talks about how he's now a "changed man". He makes one of those about every 3 months.
Edit: It's also hilarious that this rift started when Guti allegedly began to yell at the players for not putting on enough effort. This is from the guy who spent the entire first half jogging and losing the ball every time he touched it
At least he managed not to make a mess of his hair though
I really hate this "seniority" bullshit system that the club has for captains. It's a joke that Casillas is currently only our third captain, and this only happened until this season when Salgado left. It's an even bigger joke than Guti is second captain, when he's the most spoiled and least hard-working member of the squad.
Pellegrini should really make Casillas captain (which would also make it easier to bench Raul), and have Guti train with the reserves for a long spell. Ideally Guti would be expelled from the club, but unfortunately he belongs to the Valdano/Raul clique, and they won't allow that to happen.
Expect a Raul interview soon where he talks about how sorry Guti is and that he should be forgiven, and Guti to make an interview later on when he talks about how he's now a "changed man". He makes one of those about every 3 months.
Edit: It's also hilarious that this rift started when Guti allegedly began to yell at the players for not putting on enough effort. This is from the guy who spent the entire first half jogging and losing the ball every time he touched it
At least he managed not to make a mess of his hair though
Torrente- Number of posts : 5489
Age : 39
Registration date : 2006-08-16
And here's Guti's nice little gesture toward the Alcarcon fans
Fade out- Number of posts : 6128
Age : 60
Favourite Player : Baggio (he outshone Zidane when played together at Juve)
Registration date : 2008-07-06
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