John Terry dropped as England captain

Kimbo wrote:I blame the FA, they went over Capello's head and he was just standing his ground. It doesn't really make a difference to Englands chances at the euro's though, Capello was a poor England manager.

He had the highest winning % of any England manager in history!

Who was he poor compared to?

England have won just 6 knockout games in the 13 International tournaments that they've attempted to qualify for in my lifetime - and only 3 of those wins came within 90 minutes, aginst those Superpowers called Paraguay, Denmark and Ecuador.

Ultimately international manager judged on tournaments. At the one tournament he stuck around for, Capello was pretty shit. Picked an uninspiring (SWP ) and flawed (2 injured CBs ) squad and then was completely outclassed tactically when it mattered.

Before the gleeful anti-English start, not saying England were in any way great, but that tournament was a complete fail and the manager has to take some responsibility as he picked the players and set the tactics.

debaser wrote:Ultimately international manager judged on tournaments. At the one tournament he stuck around for, Capello was pretty shit. Picked an uninspiring (SWP ) and flawed (2 injured CBs ) squad and then was completely outclassed tactically when it mattered.

Before the gleeful anti-English start, not saying England were in any way great, but that tournament was a complete fail and the manager has to take some responsibility as he picked the players and set the tactics.

Shove this win percentage shit up ya.

We played a lot of awful teams to get that high win percentage..so you cant use that and then say "oh and we only ever beat these teams in the KO stages". Well tell me which teams Capello's England beat in those knockout stages. He was lucky we even got through to the knockout stages. Couldnt even beat the USA and Algeria ffs.

He was poor. It baffles me that TS defends him actually..this is a manager who regularly picked SWP(who TS says is shit) and Lampard (who TS says is shit), Walcott (who TS says is shit) and Terry (who TS says is shit) and more recently Bent (who TS says is shit btw).

Plus he had us playing shit on a stick football on a regular basis. Which I believe TS hates.

Not to say TS is the only one who hates all those things..but he is the one saying Capello was good because of his win percentage.

I'm not saying Capello was great at all - just pointing out that ENGLAND AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH FULL STOP - and their history over the last 25 years bears this out.

Deluded F*ck™ wrote:I'm not saying Capello was great at all - just pointing out that ENGLAND AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH FULL STOP - and their history over the last 25 years bears this out.

England are still capable of playing better than they did in South Africa though,it was embarrassing how poorly they performed against teams like Algeria and Slovenia.I reckon Algeria outplayed them ffs and they had to resort to time wasting to scrape past Slovenia for a 1 - 0 win.

But it weren't just the managers fault though,the players are the most to blame they couldn't even control the ball and play a simple pass in that WC.What's Cappelo meant to do about that?

Anyway we all know what's going to happen for the next 20 years:

debaser wrote:Ultimately international manager judged on tournaments.

True, but let us not forget that actually qualifying for major tournaments could not have been taken for granted after the McClaren years, and Capello did deliver in that aspect, two solid, convincing qualifications.

But still, as I've said for years, he was the wrong choice, the wrong kind of manager for a revolution / complete overhaul that English football needed. Wasted money and time.

worms wrote:Luis has a point about the xenophobic attitude in the media.







LOL.

Awesome! And he is right, even for the wrong reasons...

To further my point;

Over the same timespan France have 13 knockout wins, 7 within 90 minutes.

The Netherlands have 8 knockout wins, 7 within 90 minutes

Our "Great Rivals" West Germany/Germany have TWENTY (yes 20) knockout wins, 14 within 90 minutes.

Italy? 12 knockout wins, 8 within 90 minutes.

Spain have 10 knockout wins, also 8 within 90 minutes.

Where this massive expectation comes from I have no clue - at least we've been slightly better than Portugal (5 ko wins, 3 within 90 minutes)

Wir sind die Meister der KO Runde!

ACHTUNG! SURRENDER! For you Tommy, ze Euro 2012 Championship is over!

Expectations are due to 1966, the neverending references everywhere. It's like Adolf on British TV - you can't escape it, so you might as well believe it's still happening today.

FA chairman David Bernstein: "We've been working on a code of conduct for some time. We hope to have one in place within the next few months."


Are you fucking kidding? Working on it for 'some time', and still expect to take a 'few months'?!

I understand there's legal implications about creating this for highly paid players, but how long does it take to come up with a code of conduct FFS?

Well well well. Capello is just another foreigner thrown onto the scrapheap.

If I'm being honest he brought it on himself for sticking by John Terry as captain. If Puyol shagged Capdevilla's girlfriend/wife then called a black Spanish player (is there such a thing?) a black conte would Del Bosque come out and back him?

I do find it extremely funny how the FA 1) take the moral high ground over 'racist' incidents of late and then clearly have a preference for an English manager. If the next England manager is foreign I'll wear a Patrice Evra shirt for a week. 2) State that public opinion will have an influence. I mean come on - the public are complete idiots; some of whom even think Hodgson didn't get a fair crack of the whip at Liverpool and deserves a shot at being manager.

As for Redknapp being the next manager - good luck. This job is even more of a poisoned chalice then when Rafa took the Inter Milan job; it's a complete and utter circus for the unfortunate candidate and then the journalists have the cheek to whinge and cry to David Bernstein (who by the way is a complete posh, smug bellend) that England are in a mess so close to Euro 2012.

Let's go and get an English manager, hurrah, one FA cup or Europa League qualification to their names will frighten the lives out of Spain and Germany.

fcb wrote:FA chairman David Bernstein: "We've been working on a code of conduct for some time. We hope to have one in place within the next few months."


Are you fucking kidding? Working on it for 'some time', and still expect to take a 'few months'?!

I understand there's legal implications about creating this for highly paid players, but how long does it take to come up with a code of conduct FFS?

About 4-5 years, judging by this forum *smirks*

fcb wrote:FA chairman David Bernstein: "We've been working on a code of conduct for some time. We hope to have one in place within the next few months."


Are you fucking kidding? Working on it for 'some time', and still expect to take a 'few months'?!

I understand there's legal implications about creating this for highly paid players, but how long does it take to come up with a code of conduct FFS?

as you say Kas, there are legal implications and you can bet that it will end up not being worth the paper it's written on. FA knows that it has to comply with UK law, EU law and that top players will have highly paid awyers scrutinising it thoroughly. The wigs will do very well out of it. Expect a toothless document that achieves virtually nothing.

So Redknapp to become England coach then. Funny that a Bernstein is in control of English football btw, Puro was right afterall

But who will lead the boys from the lane then? Im going for Warnock, his nose alone justifies a 4-year contract at a club like Spurs.

I want Van Gaal - he led one set of Jews to the promised land 17 years ago, he can do it again with another group of Jews. He's like a footballing Moses.

If not then Rafa Benitez - he'll be refreshed and motivated and he has unfinished business in England.

The difference was that those yids were kinda talented though..



But considering he resigned at ajax today, even though he wasnt even in charge yet, could make it happen!

I would love van Gaal vs the english tabloids!

How can you be against Mourinho for footballing reasons and at the same time endorse Benitez of all people though?

blutgraetsche wrote:How can you be against Mourinho for footballing reasons and at the same time endorse Benitez of all people though?

Benitez has never sent his teams out to butcher people, or dive constantly. Nor has he sent Robert Huth upfront to win a game. We could be his new Valencia. And if he can get Liverpool to nearly win the league despite all the boardroom troubles there then we have a chance of major success if it goes well between him and Levy.

I'm against Mourinho for personality reasons as much as footballing ones - he's the antithesis of everything Spurs stand for, plus he always needs more money than his rivals to indulge in all his stupidness.

blutgraetsche wrote:How can you be against Mourinho for footballing reasons and at the same time endorse Benitez of all people though?

I wouldn't be majorly upset if we managed to attract Mourinho or Benitez, but I would worry how they would fit with the current squad. Would probably see major overhauls to the squad and a complete change in playing style.

Benitez sides play better football than Mourinho teams IMO - Inter were better to watch under him evnen if they got worse.



Still one of my favourite goals ever

Deluded F*ck™ wrote:

I'm against Mourinho for personality reasons as much as footballing ones - he's the antithesis of everything Spurs stand for

overbearing self-righteousness and feeling of entitlement?

Spurs fans

Turning down Mourinho ffs, one good season and you don't want a manager who has won European cups and league titles

Luis wrote:Spurs fans

Turning down Mourinho ffs, one good season and you don't want a manager who has won European cups and league titles

Well, I did say I wouldn't be upset if he joined, but being rational about this: he won European Cups and league titles under far different circumstances than he'd be able to do at Spurs.

And what do you mean one good season? This'll be our third season in a row surpassing people's "expectations" (finishing 4th in 2010, getting to the CL QF's in 2011, and probably finishing 3rd this). I swear down I will fight you with a broom handle

worms wrote:The England National team is just a never ending comedy.

Their failure in the Euros will be spectacular like always, followed by an inevitable media witch hunt which will probably be against the new Manager.

What the media fail to realize is the reason England haven't won anything in so long is not because of the never ending list of already proven World Class managers,it's just that the players aren't good technically or anywhere as good in general as the media think they are.

(I know most people on this board and most fans nowadays realize the top English players are vastly overrated,but the media still have stupid expectations which leads to even more pressure on the team.)

This is a bit unfair. Perhaps tabloid press aside, the English media is generally realistic in the wake of elimination. At least that has been the case recently, and my experience reading various sources. And I'm not just talking about brooding, reflexively critical columnists either.

I don't think there is this widespread delusion anymore. England are a bit shit. A lot of people have achingly come to this realization in the last ten years. In 2002, Beckham was 27, Owen was 23 and Ferdinand wasn't a lamppost--England had a right to expect big things and they did lose out to the eventual winners tbf. The good players are older now, the ones touted as good aren't coherently developed enough to make an impact, and Wayne Rooney is a moron. The fervor that precedes a tournament will never go away though. England are a big footballing nation with the best league in the world--equanimity during international tournaments will always be in short supply. The more mature media outlets in England, though, assess the country's chances and failure fairly.

Deluded F*ck wrote:

Kimbo wrote:I blame the FA, they went over Capello's head and he was just standing his ground. It doesn't really make a difference to Englands chances at the euro's though, Capello was a poor England manager.

He had the highest winning % of any England manager in history!

Who was he poor compared to?

England have won just 6 knockout games in the 13 International tournaments that they've attempted to qualify for in my lifetime - and only 3 of those wins came within 90 minutes, aginst those Superpowers called Paraguay, Denmark and Ecuador.

The football was shit, he failed to motivate the players, he failed to discipline the players, he failed to visit the north east and instead opted to eat prawn sandwiches in London, and we were more embarrassing than ever at the world cup. But hey, he was good at beating Andorra et al in qualifying.

Face reality, face the truth. The players suck!

Mourinho or Benitez would be a better choice than 'Arry. 'Arry might be a top geezer, but he is too involved with the media to be a successful England manager. We'll be going to the 2014 World Cup with Lampard, Terry, Cole, Rio and Gerrard, who will all be 34+. Adding David Beckham's 47 years to the team too will give us a squad that'll make Ancelotti's Milan team look like the Busby babes.

Deluded F*ck wrote:Benitez sides play better football than Mourinho teams IMO - Inter were better to watch under him evnen if they got worse.



Still one of my favourite goals ever

Fondly enough one of the reasons fell out with Valencia is that he hated playing Aimar!

Mourinho is a winner though, Rafa... not so much.

Kimbo wrote:Mourinho is a winner though, Rafa... not so much.

Yeah, Rafa only won 2 La Ligas and a European cup, boooo! Not to mention the fact that he OWENED Mourinho twice in CL semi finals with Liverpool.

But you believe what the media tell you Kimmy