HomeI blame the FA, they went over Capello's head and he was just standing his ground. It doesn't really make a difference to Englands chances at the euro's though, Capello was a poor England manager.
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John Terry dropped as England captain
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A manager resigning because of who the captain is really is the most ridiculous farce.
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fcb wrote:Brian2468 wrote:He Resignedfcb wrote:Wow, no offense to anyone, but this whole saga is really fucking stupid. A coach sacked a few months before a major tournament because he gave an interview where he didn't agree with the FA's decision, which was arguable anyway. What a massive farce.
Sorry, yes, typed in a hurry. But still, it's all like one big comedy. Sheffield Gunner is right - the FA, Capello, some of the players, and mainly the media, have all made an unnecessary drama of this situation.
I think on this occasion the media is less to blame. Terry being sacked as captain came from the FA - there was some talk of it before, but it was hardly a campaign - and Capello chose to air his grievances in public.
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Good, but rather unexpected, news for England. Now England have a real chance to start fresh. The only positive thing from the Capello era were the solid qualifications. Other than that, rather wasted years. Capello was never the manager for the revolution English football desperately needed. He got you results (in the qualification), but not much else. Should have never expected anything else to be honest.
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The Manager is the Boss not the FA they I do not care what they think or feel.... When they Never made Cloughie the England Manager they lost my respect... You do not break the confidence of the manager and his players good or bad it is a team game first and Terry maybe a ass but thats life..... Anyway we should be better off without Capello they better stick to an Englishman now or they should all be Hung drawn and quartered......
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So Harry will get the job. This will be his England team.
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Walker - King - Terry - Rose
Lennon - Carrick - Lampard (c) - Beckham
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There is another side to this. The FA basically interfered with team matters. That should be the manager's job. What respect would the manager have in the dressing room when players know one he is on borrowed time and two he has zero authority when it comes down to it. The manager should be allowed to choose his squad and captain even if that captain is a complete jerk. The FA backed his innocent until proven guilty stance and then said fuck you over something that was outside his control. Capello was right to stand firm. I'd say the FA knew full well that Capello would stand by Terry and that he would resign over what he saw as interference in team matters. FA may well have decided it wanted rid of both and this was perfect excuse and way to do it.
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Rosicky wrote:So Harry will get the job. This will be his England team.
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If he gets the job no one knows more about King than Harry if he was in the squad you know it was a wise pick...
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EMP wrote:There is another side to this. The FA basically interfered with team matters. That should be the manager's job. What respect would the manager have in the dressing room when players know one he is on borrowed time and two he has zero authority when it comes down to it. The manager should be allowed to choose his squad and captain even if that captain is a complete jerk. The FA backed his innocent until proven guilty stance and then said fuck you over something that was outside his control. Capello was right to stand firm. I'd say the FA knew full well that Capello would stand by Terry and that he would resign over what he saw as interference in team matters. FA may well have decided it wanted rid of both and this was perfect excuse and way to do it.
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Jaime wrote:EMP wrote:There is another side to this. The FA basically interfered with team matters. That should be the manager's job. What respect would the manager have in the dressing room when players know one he is on borrowed time and two he has zero authority when it comes down to it. The manager should be allowed to choose his squad and captain even if that captain is a complete jerk. The FA backed his innocent until proven guilty stance and then said fuck you over something that was outside his control. Capello was right to stand firm. I'd say the FA knew full well that Capello would stand by Terry and that he would resign over what he saw as interference in team matters. FA may well have decided it wanted rid of both and this was perfect excuse and way to do it.
Can't understand why the FA would interfer with this. As I understood it Capello's point was to see if he was guilty first right? So why not wait it out because lets say Terry is deemed innocent or something. It seems like they wanted him out but I can't figure out why when it is only 5 months left for the cup.
In the end it might turn out well if whoever comes in makes a better selection(hardly inconceivable).
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There was no way Terry could have remained England captain.
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Jaime wrote:EMP wrote:There is another side to this. The FA basically interfered with team matters. That should be the manager's job. What respect would the manager have in the dressing room when players know one he is on borrowed time and two he has zero authority when it comes down to it. The manager should be allowed to choose his squad and captain even if that captain is a complete jerk. The FA backed his innocent until proven guilty stance and then said fuck you over something that was outside his control. Capello was right to stand firm. I'd say the FA knew full well that Capello would stand by Terry and that he would resign over what he saw as interference in team matters. FA may well have decided it wanted rid of both and this was perfect excuse and way to do it.
I do agree to an extent, and would never wish to defend the FA - they're utterly incompetent fools. However, they were damned either way. It was going to be a toxic situation with Terry and was always likely to rupture at some point during or before the tournament. In an ideal situation John Terry
As a side question, if/when a new man comes in, would people back him to include Terry in his squad or ditch him and avoid the trouble of his presence?
edit: As a side note, when I say banish, I don't mean in the sense of dropping him from the squad, but in an ideal world, dumping him in the middle of Siberia and leaving him or something along those lines.
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Is it ever possible for England to enter a tournament without unnecessary drama?
It rumbles on.
Capello won't be missed, but I feel for how it has transpired.
Sadly Harry (who is without question going to be the new manager) will almost certainly pick his nephew Lampard now. Expect another Lampard/Gerrard midfield folks.
It rumbles on.
Capello won't be missed, but I feel for how it has transpired.
Sadly Harry (who is without question going to be the new manager) will almost certainly pick his nephew Lampard now. Expect another Lampard/Gerrard midfield folks.
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The England National team is just a never ending comedy.
Their failure in the Euros will be spectacular like always, followed by an inevitable media witch hunt which will probably be against the new Manager.
What the media fail to realize is the reason England haven't won anything in so long is not because of the never ending list of already proven World Class managers,it's just that the players aren't good technically or anywhere as good in general as the media think they are.
(I know most people on this board and most fans nowadays realize the top English players are vastly overrated,but the media still have stupid expectations which leads to even more pressure on the team.)
Their failure in the Euros will be spectacular like always, followed by an inevitable media witch hunt which will probably be against the new Manager.
What the media fail to realize is the reason England haven't won anything in so long is not because of the never ending list of already proven World Class managers,it's just that the players aren't good technically or anywhere as good in general as the media think they are.
(I know most people on this board and most fans nowadays realize the top English players are vastly overrated,but the media still have stupid expectations which leads to even more pressure on the team.)
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Metta World Peace wrote:Is it ever possible for England to enter a tournament without unnecessary drama?
It rumbles on.
Capello won't be missed, but I feel for how it has transpired.
Sadly Harry (who is without question going to be the new manager) will almost certainly pick his nephew Lampard now. Expect another Lampard/Gerrard midfield folks.
You might be surprised. Everyone (well, not everyone, mostly just those f*cking silly cules) thought that Del Bosque would automatically reinstate Raul to the Spanish team when he took over for Aragones. But he didn't.
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I hope so Jaime. I'd like to think that having watched Modric every week in training and understanding the necessity of balanced Central midfield partnerships, he ll realise Lampard isn't a CM and if he's going to pick a goal scoring one then best stick to Gerrard.
And no Crouch Harry!
On the plus side, might see Huddlestone get the chance to prove himself at international level once fit. Yes!
And no Crouch Harry!
On the plus side, might see Huddlestone get the chance to prove himself at international level once fit. Yes!
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Metta World Peace wrote:Is it ever possible for England to enter a tournament without unnecessary drama?
It rumbles on.
Capello won't be missed, but I feel for how it has transpired.
Sadly Harry (who is without question going to be the new manager) will almost certainly pick his nephew Lampard now. Expect another Lampard/Gerrard midfield folks.
I hope you are joking about Lampard
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Re: John Terry dropped as England captain
by christmasborocooper Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:24 pm
Nah, that's a definite..the main problem with Harry being the next manager. As much as I like what he's doing with Spurs, if he could put Lampard in his Spurs side he would..and he'll be able to do it no problem when he's in charge of England.
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christmasborocooper wrote:Nah, that's a definite..the main problem with Harry being the next manager. As much as I like what he's doing with Spurs, if he could put Lampard in his Spurs side he would..and he'll be able to do it no problem when he's in charge of England.
Do you think he could get more out of him than Capello
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Given that the FA haven't forced Terry out of the England squad, they've just taken the captaincy from him; and that Capello himself stripped Terry of the captaincy a couple of years ago less on the grounds that Terry was guilty of wrongdoing (perhaps he was guilty of wrongdoing; perhaps some would argue that a relationship with a teammate's ex-girlfriend doesn't need justifying; whatever, the morals of the case weren't what Capello declared his decision to have been based on) but on the grounds that Terry couldn't effectively continue as the face of the national team or the leader of his team-mates under such fractious circumstances - owing to these things I find it hard to believe that Capello has left the England job because he feels some moral or personal obligation to stand by Terry and to uphold the notion of innocent until proven guilty.
I'd guess, if he has left rather than been effectively pushed, that he feels undermined. I'm not sure that his position was necessarily undermined, that he couldn't have continued with the same authority if he'd accepted the FA's decision and moved on; and on the other hand perhaps more sense, restraint and communication could have allowed Capello to have been seen as making or at least involved in a decision to displace Terry. More, I'd guess that Capello feels insulted, and that he can't be bothered anymore with a job that he never particularly seemed to pay much mind to.
I'd guess, if he has left rather than been effectively pushed, that he feels undermined. I'm not sure that his position was necessarily undermined, that he couldn't have continued with the same authority if he'd accepted the FA's decision and moved on; and on the other hand perhaps more sense, restraint and communication could have allowed Capello to have been seen as making or at least involved in a decision to displace Terry. More, I'd guess that Capello feels insulted, and that he can't be bothered anymore with a job that he never particularly seemed to pay much mind to.
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Re: John Terry dropped as England captain
by christmasborocooper Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:39 pm
Brian2468 wrote:christmasborocooper wrote:Nah, that's a definite..the main problem with Harry being the next manager. As much as I like what he's doing with Spurs, if he could put Lampard in his Spurs side he would..and he'll be able to do it no problem when he's in charge of England.
Do you think he could get more out of him than Capello
Nope. Not unless he plans to play a completely new formation where we've got Drogba in his prime up top and Lampard plays off him.
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Lampard it is then as new captain...
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Re: John Terry dropped as England captain
by Glenarch of the Glen Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:42 pm
Metta World Peace wrote:
Sadly Harry (who is without question going to be the new manager) will almost certainly pick his nephew Lampard now. Expect another Lampard/Gerrard midfield folks.
I like the idea of Redknapp being the England manager, to some extent the squad will pick itself, and he is a manager who is very good at making substitutions. It probably sounds stupid, but it's been a big problem with the England team. He's also put out some decent footballing sides particularly at West Ham and Tottenham, with an English core. The Lampard thing does bother me though, but with Parker now surely to finally receive the credit he deserves with a long overdue England call-up, and Gerrard's fitness concerns, perhaps it will be fine.
At the end of the day to be fair having said that, I don't think he'll be offered the job until Mourinho turns it down (again?).
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Re: John Terry dropped as England captain
by christmasborocooper Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:33 pm
Dear god. What a fuckwit.
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