Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

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Re: Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

by Luis Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:38 pm

Jaime wrote:As for Reina, I will say as with all players if you are talking about the best in a given position you would have expected him to have won at least something in his career. He does seem prone to give up the absolute howler more than a top top goalkeeper would. I don't think of him as great in 1v1's. He's good in the air, good with his feet, I guess I can't really think if he is good at penalty kicks or not. The biggest thing for me is his blunders seem to be of epic proportions. Like against Argentina for Spain or was it Everton where he tries to play volleyball? I mean you remember them.

I don't buy that you have to win something to be considered one of the great players. Football is a team game. He's won the FA cup by the way. If Christiano Ronaldo doesn't win anything at Real Madrid over the next few seasons will you not think he's one of the best players in the world?

Reina has got the most clean sheets in the league in 2 or 3 seasons since he's been in England. He's single handedly saved us from finishing in the bottom 10 at times. He's a leader, he's a brilliant shot stopper and his distribution is second to none at times. As for penalty kicks well he is renouned for being a great saver of them - he helped us win the penalty shootout in the FA cup final in 06, he saved most of the Chelsea pens in the 2007 CL semi as well.

He is prone to blunders like nearly every keeper in the world but they are very few and far between in comparison to his brilliant saves.

For the record I don't think he's the best in the world but he's in my top 3 with Casillas and Lloris at the moment.

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Post n°32

Re: Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

by Jaime Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:47 pm

Luis wrote:

Jaime wrote:As for Reina, I will say as with all players if you are talking about the best in a given position you would have expected him to have won at least something in his career. He does seem prone to give up the absolute howler more than a top top goalkeeper would. I don't think of him as great in 1v1's. He's good in the air, good with his feet, I guess I can't really think if he is good at penalty kicks or not. The biggest thing for me is his blunders seem to be of epic proportions. Like against Argentina for Spain or was it Everton where he tries to play volleyball? I mean you remember them.

I don't buy that you have to win something to be considered one of the great players. Football is a team game. He's won the FA cup by the way. If Christiano Ronaldo doesn't win anything at Real Madrid over the next few seasons will you not think he's one of the best players in the world?

Reina has got the most clean sheets in the league in 2 or 3 seasons since he's been in England. He's single handedly saved us from finishing in the bottom 10 at times. He's a leader, he's a brilliant shot stopper and his distribution is second to none at times. As for penalty kicks well he is renouned for being a great saver of them - he helped us win the penalty shootout in the FA cup final in 06, he saved most of the Chelsea pens in the 2007 CL semi as well.

He is prone to blunders like nearly every keeper in the world but they are very few and far between in comparison to his brilliant saves.

For the record I don't think he's the best in the world but he's in my top 3 with Casillas and Lloris at the moment.

Sorry I didn't remember the FA Cup but in general yes the best should be winning something somewhere. Ok, Giggs was unfortunate to be born in Wales so I don't expect he would win the World Cup when he was in his prime but he was winning things for United. Ronaldo has won things before, but to go along with your scenario if he would not win anything in his stint with Madrid then no, I would not consider him one of the greats (at least not for our club).

Clean sheets, as Victor Valdes proves every season, is not (in my opinion) the best indication of a goalkeepers ability.

I don't watch you guys every week so everything I say can be taken with a grain of salt. But he does not seem to stand out to me when I see him. He is good with his feet (usually) and his kicking is quite good, although I don't think he is the best at throwing. But I could be wrong. I remember being surprised that Liverpool bought him from Villarreal because he wasn't making a big name in Spain at the time. And there are a lot of people that think Diego Lopez is better than him. It is all subjective really, but anyway there you go.

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Post n°33

Re: Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

by Jaime Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:50 pm

Reina is the best at MCing victory parades however. Biggrin

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Post n°34

Re: Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

by Luis Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:55 pm

Sorry I didn't remember the FA Cup but in general yes the best should be winning something somewhere. Ok, Giggs was unfortunate to be born in Wales so I don't expect he would win the World Cup when he was in his prime but he was winning things for United. Ronaldo has won things before, but to go along with your scenario if he would not win anything in his stint with Madrid then no, I would not consider him one of the greats (at least not for our club).

We obviously differ in this respect. I think it's ludicrous to judge how good a player is on what he wins with his club or country. How can one player be responsible for a club winning something? VDV is fucking exceptional but is unlikely to win the title or Champions league with Spurs IMO. Torres has never won anything yet was bought for 50 million. Alan Shearer was an unbelievable goal-scorer but didn't win anything at Newcastle. A player should be judged on how he performs for his club and country (if applicable) and Reina has been a credit to Liverpool since joining. It's a shame he's only won 1 trophy but he's played in a European cup final as well.

Clean sheets, as Victor Valdes proves every season, is not (in my opinion) the best indication of a goalkeepers ability.

Maybe not but it helps a defence if they have a solid keeper behind them.

I don't watch you guys every week so everything I say can be taken with a grain of salt. But he does not seem to stand out to me when I see him. He is good with his feet (usually) and his kicking is quite good, although I don't think he is the best at throwing. But I could be wrong. I remember being surprised that Liverpool bought him from Villarreal because he wasn't making a big name in Spain at the time. And there are a lot of people that think Diego Lopez is better than him. It is all subjective really, but anyway there you go.

He's widely regarded in England as one of, if not the best keeper in the league. Not just by Liverpool fans and there's a reason - all the points I mentioned above in this thread. It's not really about 'standing out' it's about doing his job and for the most part he's been excellent for us.

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Re: Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

by Axeslammer Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:45 am

Jaime wrote:I am surprised there were not more votes for Lloris. I've been really impressed with him whenever I have seen him.

Same here

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Re: Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

by Kroos Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:56 am

Axeslammer wrote:

Jaime wrote:I am surprised there were not more votes for Lloris. I've been really impressed with him whenever I have seen him.

Same here

well how often have you seen him!! against real madrid Very Happy

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Re: Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

by bluenine Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:17 pm

IMO Buffon is still the best... followed by Cesar and Casillas... sometimes we mistake imediate form with class... if I was forming a team to represent this planet, those 3 would make the squad for me.

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Post n°38

Re: Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

by Luis Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:40 pm

After counting Bluenine and Kas's votes as well the winner is Casillas with 8 votes followed by Stekelnburg on 7.

Keep voting until tomorrow night for the right back poll <Ale>

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Post n°39

Re: Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

by abundance Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:59 pm

bluenine wrote:IMO Buffon is still the best...

I preferred Buffon when he didn't blunder in a way that left you wondering if it was intentional... ;-)

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Re: Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

by Calidad Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:42 pm

bluenine wrote:IMO Buffon is still the best... followed by Cesar and Casillas... sometimes we mistake imediate form with class... if I was forming a team to represent this planet, those 3 would make the squad for me.

When's the last time that Buffon actually was the best though? He's undeniably dropped a level or two in the last 3 years, and I don't see him getting it back.

In constrast Cesar has been excellent for the past 3-4 years. He's been a bit indifferent this season, but I'd still have him as my first choice. If he has another season like this one though, then I'll be saying the same thing about him as I am about Buffon.

I do think Valdes is very underrated.

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by bluenine Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:11 pm

Calidad wrote:

bluenine wrote:IMO Buffon is still the best... followed by Cesar and Casillas... sometimes we mistake imediate form with class... if I was forming a team to represent this planet, those 3 would make the squad for me.

When's the last time that Buffon actually was the best though? He's undeniably dropped a level or two in the last 3 years, and I don't see him getting it back.

In constrast Cesar has been excellent for the past 3-4 years. He's been a bit indifferent this season, but I'd still have him as my first choice. If he has another season like this one though, then I'll be saying the same thing about him as I am about Buffon.

I do think Valdes is very underrated.

Look at the clownish defence he has in front of him, any gk can look vulnerable and make mistakes when his entire team is shite. But a few uncertain moments aside, he is still class. These days when you play against Juve, Buffon is the biggest problem - you just know that you will score a goal or two less. This is inspite of the career threatening injuries. The main reason people here are not voting for Buffon is coz he is now out of limelight... Juve are shite, and Buffon hasn't played much due to injuries. But if there is a game tomorrow, I would still prefer the likes of Buffon, Cesar, or Casillas over anyone else.

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Re: Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

by Axeslammer Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:24 pm

Luis wrote:After counting Bluenine and Kas's votes as well the winner is Casillas with 8 votes followed by Stekelnburg on 7.

Keep voting until tomorrow night for the right back poll

Lol, so even though Stekelenburg has 7 votes and Iker only 6, you still let the Spanish poser win ?!

This is exactly how all those UEFA and FIFA popularity contests are done Ale

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Post n°43

Re: Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

by Luis Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:08 pm

Axeslammer wrote:

Luis wrote:After counting Bluenine and Kas's votes as well the winner is Casillas with 8 votes followed by Stekelnburg on 7.

Keep voting until tomorrow night for the right back poll

Lol, so even though Stekelenburg has 7 votes and Iker only 6, you still let the Spanish poser win ?!

This is exactly how all those UEFA and FIFA popularity contests are done

Some people couldn't vote after a day for some reason so posted their votes and Casillas ended up on 8. It's a wonder Stekelenburg is even in the reserve team ahead of Reina, Valdes or Lloris so I'd keep schtum Ale

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Post n°44

Re: Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

by Axeslammer Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:06 pm

Luis wrote:

Axeslammer wrote:

Luis wrote:After counting Bluenine and Kas's votes as well the winner is Casillas with 8 votes followed by Stekelnburg on 7.

Keep voting until tomorrow night for the right back poll

Lol, so even though Stekelenburg has 7 votes and Iker only 6, you still let the Spanish poser win ?!

This is exactly how all those UEFA and FIFA popularity contests are done

Some people couldn't vote after a day for some reason so posted their votes and Casillas ended up on 8. It's a wonder Stekelenburg is even in the reserve team ahead of Reina, Valdes or Lloris so I'd keep schtum

Nonsense, they couldn't vote because they had already voted.

So now they either twice or are too stupid to vote anyway.

....but this way you get to manipulate the vote into the direction you want : great way to invalidate the entire voting

Exactly what I expected of you.

It's not a wonder Stekelenburg is ahead of some third choice losers, Maarten *is* the best keeper in the world at this moment.

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Post n°45

Re: Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

by Kroos Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:14 pm

Axeslammer wrote:

Luis wrote:

Axeslammer wrote:

Luis wrote:After counting Bluenine and Kas's votes as well the winner is Casillas with 8 votes followed by Stekelnburg on 7.

Keep voting until tomorrow night for the right back poll

Lol, so even though Stekelenburg has 7 votes and Iker only 6, you still let the Spanish poser win ?!

This is exactly how all those UEFA and FIFA popularity contests are done

Some people couldn't vote after a day for some reason so posted their votes and Casillas ended up on 8. It's a wonder Stekelenburg is even in the reserve team ahead of Reina, Valdes or Lloris so I'd keep schtum

Nonsense, they couldn't vote because they had already voted.

So now they either twice or are too stupid to vote anyway.

....but this way you get to manipulate the vote into the direction you want : great way to invalidate the entire voting

Exactly what I expected of you.

It's not a wonder Stekelenburg is ahead of some third choice losers, Maarten *is* the best keeper in the world at this moment.

opinions, in germany Neuer is the best in the world

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Post n°46

Re: Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

by Ä Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:40 pm

when the Dutchies on here , or indeed the Englanders, talk to each other about football

to us Germans

it sounds like THIS

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/viral-video-twin-babies-secret-language-13247451

Laugh

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Re: Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

by bluenine Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:49 pm

Ä wrote:when the Dutchies on here , or indeed the Englanders, talk to each other about football

to us Germans

it sounds like THIS

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/viral-video-twin-babies-secret-language-13247451

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Post n°48

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by Ä Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:02 pm

on the goalie front

Neuer almost certainly is the greatest goalie TALENT in the world

where he ranks amongst "finished" keepers is not altogether clear though

he simply produces way too many mistakes amongst all those moments of sheer magic

for me, the top German goalie NOW is either Wiese or Weidenfeller

NOBODY else

having said that, those players who have played in the same team as Neuer go NUTS about him and RAVE their socks off

Metzelder thinks it's just scary to imagine how GOOD Neuer is going to be EVENTUALLY , bearing in mind how good he is ALREADY

and Rakitic is PISSING off his Spanish team-mates by telling them in no uncertain terms that Neuer is EASILY better than Casillas, in fact, he is easily the WORLD's BEST KEEPER

...

Rakitic: Sehr eng, ich bin ja erst vor sieben Wochen gewechselt. Ich schaue mir natürlich alle Spiele im Fernsehen an und gehe richtig mit, so wie beim Achtelfinal-Rückspiel der Champions League gegen Valencia. Ich habe im Spaß sogar einen Streit mit meinen neuen Mitspielern angefangen, weil ich gesagt habe, dass Schalke definitiv weiterkommt und Manuel Neuer garantiert nicht mehr als ein Gegentor kassiert. Vor allem Torwart Andres Palop, der aus Valencia stammt, hat gegen mich gestänkert, aber er hat sich nicht getraut zu wetten. Glück für ihn, am Ende hatte ich auf ganzer Linie recht.

SPOX: Sie sagten noch auf Schalke, dass Neuer der weltbeste Torwart sei. Sind Sie weiterhin dieser Meinung?

Rakitic: Auf jeden Fall. Heutzutage bin ich mir sogar noch sicherer, dass es keinen Besseren gibt als Manuel, das wird mir in Spanien jede Woche bestätigt. Hier spricht zwar jeder über Iker Casillas, weil er bei Real Madrid spielt und die Weltmeisterschaft gewonnen hat, aber selbst er kommt nicht an Manuel heran. Der Rest ist nicht einmal ansatzweise in der Nähe von ihm. Manuels Ausstrahlung, seine Aura, das hat nicht einmal Casillas. Ich habe in Sevillas Kabine schon gesagt, dass ich gerne mal Manuel für zwei Tage herholen möchte, damit die anderen mal sehen, wie ein richtiger Torwart spielt. (lacht) Neuer ist mit Abstand die Nummer eins.

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by bluenine Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:08 pm

Ä wrote:when the Dutchies on here , or indeed the Englanders, talk to each other about football

to us Germans

it sounds like THIS

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/viral-video-twin-babies-secret-language-13247451

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by Isco Benny Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:21 pm

Ä wrote:when the Dutchies on here , or indeed the Englanders, talk to each other about football

to us Germans

it sounds like THIS

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/viral-video-twin-babies-secret-language-13247451

That is brilliant

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Post n°51

Re: Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

by Luis Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:36 pm

Axeslammer wrote:

Luis wrote:

Axeslammer wrote:

Luis wrote:After counting Bluenine and Kas's votes as well the winner is Casillas with 8 votes followed by Stekelnburg on 7.

Keep voting until tomorrow night for the right back poll

Lol, so even though Stekelenburg has 7 votes and Iker only 6, you still let the Spanish poser win ?!

This is exactly how all those UEFA and FIFA popularity contests are done

Some people couldn't vote after a day for some reason so posted their votes and Casillas ended up on 8. It's a wonder Stekelenburg is even in the reserve team ahead of Reina, Valdes or Lloris so I'd keep schtum

Nonsense, they couldn't vote because they had already voted.

So now they either twice or are too stupid to vote anyway.

....but this way you get to manipulate the vote into the direction you want : great way to invalidate the entire voting

Exactly what I expected of you.

It's not a wonder Stekelenburg is ahead of some third choice losers, Maarten *is* the best keeper in the world at this moment.

Are you joking? If not, get a life. You really think I'm assed who wins these polls? I'm doing them to try and get a bit of debate going and to see which players everyone rates on here.

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Re: Best team in the world - Goalkeeper

by Ä Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:08 am

quite amusing

Stekelburg leads this poll lol!

I wonder what Mars men would make of the football knowledge of this board ?!

Best team in the world - Goalkeeper - Page 2 Laugh

I still think that Germany's two best keepers are Wiese and Weidenfeller

BUT

after yesterday's CL semi between Man U and Neuer

some on HERE, will have to RETHINK their comments above

Smile

SAF : " Neuer was incredible. THAT was probably the best performance I have seen from a goalie against one of my teams."

then he ran onto the pitch to get Neuer's SHIRT

but the German rebuffed his advances

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by Isco Benny Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:08 am

Manuel Neuer's performance reminds me of a lesss impressive version of Paul Robinson's one man effort to deny the fearsome Barcelona attack in 2001 with Leeds.

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by blutgraetsche Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:28 pm

English goal keepers should not be mentioned in this thread. It's like offering bean on toast in a gourmet restaurant.

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by Isco Benny Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:20 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:English goal keepers should not be mentioned in this thread. It's like offering bean on toast in a gourmet restaurant.

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by Ä Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:48 pm

Schmeichel:

"Neuer is quite possibly the best goalkeeper in the world and would be a perfect fit for ManU"

let's hope Tönnies makes Hoeness BLEED

35 million Euro AT LEAST Ale

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by Isco Benny Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:56 pm

Schmeichel also said he thinks Neuer is possibly the best because he's never seen him make a mistake.

Which definitely makes a nice change in how one rates a top goalkeeper, because the last time I heard this argument from Arsenal and Germany fans for a certainly curly haired Teuton, being a calamitous clown prone to mistakes was being spun as "mad genius"