U17's World Cup Mexico

Great, it's Germany vs. England again! The football Gods are kind to us, they want this board to survive.

blutgraetsche wrote:Great, it's Germany vs. England again! The football Gods are kind to us, they want this board to survive.

Dang blut! your boys are good! really good!

There's still Brasil and México left, so lot's of work left to be done. I would've preferred Germany to play México first, to see if you can beat them Mexicans, if you can then Brasil in the final. But no, fuck no! you play England!

Prediction?

blutgraetsche wrote:Great, it's Germany vs. England Turkey V Nigeria again! The football Gods are kind to us, they want this board to survive.

Any Nigerians or Turks in the house? Predictions?

I sooooo hope Germany wins, and end up winning the title that would be so brilliant.

Puro wrote:
Dang blut! your boys are good! really good!

There's still Brasil and México left, so lot's of work left to be done. I would've preferred Germany to play México first, to see if you can beat them Mexicans, if you can then Brasil in the final. But no, fuck no! you play England!

Prediction?

I think that they are better than England in pretty much every department, had a much better tournament so far and should win. But youth football is even less predictable, so you never know.

Mexico looked good and have the home team advantage, but on our side of the tree, France seem to be the tougher challenge. How they came back from 0-2 against a strong Ivory Coast side yesterday to win 3-2 was pretty impressive. I think that our side of the tree is a bit stronger than the other side.

On the other side, Brazil looked good and 'mature' as always, some talented players and a stable team. Japan will be a tough challenge for them though, been impressed with the Japanese so far. The Uzbeks are the surprise team of the tournament, their captain in particular looks like the real deal. I can see them overcome Uruguay and reach the semis.

Fey wrote:I sooooo hope Germany wins, and end up winning the title that would be so brilliant.

The kiss of death...

Don't you and otto have the single point to celebrate that Holland managed to collect in this tournament? Let's raise our glasses to this prosperous partnership, may otto's support for Oranje (in all shapes and forms) never come to an end!

U-17 getting a lot of attention oh here since the germans and english or doing so well at this level.

its between france and germany to win it.

I think the youth World Cups, both the U17 and U20WC, are the more interesting youth tournaments, due to the different styles of play of the teams. I appreciate the youth Euros, especially the U21 Euro which is a very important tournament because it's the last step to the senior team (in Germany, for example, Bundestrainer Löw is responsible for the U21 NT (and staff), too, while the younger age groups are under the control of DFB sporting director Sammer). But the South American, African and Asian teams bring something else to the table, a valuable experience for young players, knowing that they won't have that many opportunities in their careers to play competitive matches against them.

blutgraetsche wrote:

Puro wrote:
Dang blut! your boys are good! really good!

There's still Brasil and México left, so lot's of work left to be done. I would've preferred Germany to play México first, to see if you can beat them Mexicans, if you can then Brasil in the final. But no, fuck no! you play England!

Prediction?

I think that they are better than England in pretty much every department, had a much better tournament so far and should win. But youth football is even less predictable, so you never know.

Mexico looked good and have the home team advantage, but on our side of the tree, France seem to be the tougher challenge. How they came back from 0-2 against a strong Ivory Coast side yesterday to win 3-2 was pretty impressive. I think that our side of the tree is a bit stronger than the other side.

On the other side, Brazil looked good and 'mature' as always, some talented players and a stable team. Japan will be a tough challenge for them though, been impressed with the Japanese so far. The Uzbeks are the surprise team of the tournament, their captain in particular looks like the real deal. I can see them overcome Uruguay and reach the semis.

Have you been watching all the matches Blut?

Seen bits of the England games and highlights from the others, so I can't personally make a prediction.

Naturally, the Germans will deem themselves favourites given their seniors are in better health than ours, their youth set up is better and so far have made easier work of this particular tournament (but then again, how to judge since the quality of the sides they've played may have varied massively)

However, I suspect a prediction will have to be based mostly on the above assumptions as opposed to people having watched both teams closely.

I'd make Germany favourites based off the hype of their youth set up.

But I won't lie: I would take a fair bit of pleasure seeing that particular applecart upset given the disdain Germans seem to hold for English football currently.

Only saw the last few minutes of the Argentina game, but apparently England matched them technically and in controlling possession. Either that suggests England kids are better in these aspects than those think (perhaps nothing new as it gets coached out of them later in favour of physical attributes), or Argentina's crop of kids are dire. Which would be a major worry for Argentine supports given they have histoiically been brilliant at youth level.

don't think there is much one can take from the U17's there is still too much time for the kids to throw it all away, they are a few exceptions of course.

The U-20's give us a much better sense of which teams and players have a bright future.

but the germanys,french,english have looked good so far.

This England side managed to draw with Canada, the first point Canada managed to collect on this level ever. Argentina got spanked by France and Japan in the group stages and were very lucky to advance to the next round.

On the other hand, Germany scored 15 goals so far while conceding one. They won every match convincingly. So yes, so far Germany has been clearly better than England, and this has nothing to do with the senior team, which is an entirely different team. But as I've said, youth tournaments are very unpredictable, youth teams tend to be inconsistent, so predictions are rather difficult to make.

Messiah wrote:don't think there is much one can take from the U17's there is still too much time for the kids to throw it all away, they are a few exceptions of course.

The U-20's give us a much better sense of which teams and players have a bright future.

but the germanys,french,english have looked good so far.

That depends. For example, both Toni Kroos and Mario Götze set the world alight on the U17 level for Germany, and they have become established players for their clubs and even the NT at a rather young age. But you're right, generally speaking, the older age groups are the more relevant ones for making predictions about the future of players.

Messiah wrote:don't think there is much one can take from the U17's there is still too much time for the kids to throw it all away, they are a few exceptions of course.

The U-20's give us a much better sense of which teams and players have a bright future.

but the germanys,french,english have looked good so far.

Agree. But Argentina have pedigree at this level, have provided a conveyor belt of young stars at these tournaments in the past. Getting beaten by Japan 4-0 and having an awful tournament was never on the cards. I'm sure they'll be back, but Argentine football needs to get it's house in order - their clubs are also being regularly beaten in the Copa Libertadores and the pool of talent is as low as it's been in a while when compared to the Brazilians, Spanish and Germans.

As much pleasure as it gives me seeing England beat Argentina, they have always held a mystique as a formidable and eye catching foe. Not time to panic, given they may well end up winning the Copa America and all this will sound like rubbish, but it's strange seeing such an average Argentine youth team I must say.

Will be interesting as you said to see how their u20's get on.

blutgraetsche wrote:This England side managed to draw with Canada, the first point Canada managed to collect on this level ever. Argentina got spanked by France and Japan in the group stages and were very lucky to advance to the next round.

On the other hand, Germany scored 15 goals so far while conceding one. They won every match convincingly. So yes, so far Germany has been clearly better than England, and this has nothing to do with the senior team, which is an entirely different team. But as I've said, youth tournaments are very unpredictable, youth teams tend to be inconsistent, so predictions are rather difficult to make.

That Canada result came the way via a freak last minute up and under goal which took a ridiculous bounce - England dominated that game in the same way Spain did against England's u21's (see how it works? England were lucky Spain didn't convert their chances, but no one mentions that Canada got lucky in this game..). England have hardly struggled so far.

Yep, Germany have been super duper and are rightfully favourites. But even if you win, we're still Euro 17 Champs so suck it

You're not. Holland is, as embarassing as they were in this tournament. You're a year late, suck on that.

The problem with the U20WC is the timing, taking place sometime in October. I remember how many of our reigning U19 Euro champions weren't allowed to play in that tournament by their clubs, for example, hence Germany sent a second string team that looked completely different.

England has 58% possession against the Argentines. Didn't watch the match, only saw the Penalties, but that alone is very impressive.

Obviously, we will have had a physical advantage, but good to know we could keep the ball.

blutgraetsche wrote:You're not. Holland is, as embarassing as they were in this tournament. You're a year late, suck on that.

Damn You. Damn. You

Hlebagone wrote:England has 58% possession against the Argentines. Didn't watch the match, only saw the Penalties, but that alone is very impressive.

Obviously, we will have had a physical advantage, but good to know we could keep the ball.

I don't think either team was keeping the ball. Only watched maybe 15 mins, but the conditions were awful, both teams were giving it away all over the place as the ball kept getting stuck in puddles.

Didn't see Germany-USA but they did show the goals. Seemed to be some pretty comical American defending. e.g. Goal #3

The worst defending I've ever seen.

First goal was the only decent one. The other 3 were gifts.

Team Pneumonia are nothing a lemsip can't handle

the cheek...

Hope for another spanking, can never get enough of those.

Another Spanking??? Easy there tiger. Which country holds the record of biggest margin of victory on German soil EVER in an international game?

Anyone would think Germany never had any problems playing England. This time you won't have a Uruguyuan linesman to help you

Don't mention the four. Don't mention the other four either. Just don't mention any matches when "roar" quickly turned to "meow". Roaaaarmeeeeeeeooooow.

Uruguay have knocked out the surprise team of the tournament Uzbekistan (2-0). They'll meet the winner of the Brazil - Japan match (that is going to start in a few minutes) in the semis.

Leo scored for Brazil after a corner. 1-0 for Brazil after 15 minutes.

The Japanese midgets predictably have problems defending corners. Other than that, they're really playing some great to watch, yet systematic and modern football.

Taken from the Transfermarkt Forum, beautifully put...

Brasilien hat sich irgendwie in allen Altersklassen zu einer subtilen Version des 80er-Jahre-Deutschland vor- oder zurückentwickelt. Sehr zynisch, das alles.

Leo misses a sitter to put the Japs to the sword.

Japan - Brazil 0-1 HT

Brazil being clever and efficient, a strong collective that has an excellent chance to go all the way.

Samba is officially dead.