Francesco Totti- Golden Shoe Winner 2007!

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Rez wrote:I see Merseyman opened up a new can of worms, good work son, I quite like the being owned by Danny Murphy and not being a patch on Le Tissier. Both are half truths, but true enough to wind up the Totti fans, brilliant stuff.

Le Tissier scored some awesome goals, probably better than any player I have seen. Had he played in Europe he would have shown how good he is, without constantly having nosebleeds spitting, or elbowing people ;-).

I think why Le Tissier never played regularly for England, deserves its own thread as he was a wonderful player.

As for the sub standard debate, it was started by Pierre because he wanted to belittle uniteds achievements. He is trying to start a new one to explain how united won the league this season. Apparently we didnt win it Chelsea gave it to us, by having infighting between Mourinho and Roman.

I guess his theory has credibilty as Chelsea were top of the league from day one and then Chelsea had their 'injury crisis' - the one where Terry played more games than Nevile and Vidic, we overtook them and won the league.

No one should take Pierre that seriously, when it concerns United, Henry, French football, Totti, Italian football..... After all he spent months hyping up the Frenchies and Roma while slagging of united. So it was rather funny watching united eliminate one and destroy the other.

Back to Totti good player in Italy, but needs to turn up in a big game before he can be talked about in the same breath as Del Piero and Le Tissier ;-).

There isnt really much difference between Del Piero and Totti in terms of performing in big games. DP has always underperformed for Italy, and since his injury, he hasnt been too hot in the CL either. I suppose he scored against the likes of Newcastle, United, Celtic etc. so that means he's a big game player in your book Rez.

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:

He may say some very controversial things, but I'll give Pierre credit on one thing: he always said the minute Man U come up against an experienced CL side, SAF's side would crash out of the tournament.

My oh my was he right, and how embarrassing it was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bJy_ALOSY4

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:
He may say some very controversial things, but I'll give Pierre credit on one thing: he always said the minute Man U come up against an experienced CL side, SAF's side would crash out of the tournament.

My oh my was he right, and how embarrassing it was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bJy_ALOSY4

Those goals are almost as sweet as seeing Gerrard's face on May 23.

Back on topic...here is another of Totti's great goals this season:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4Jj1PTKuAg (Palermo-Roma).

Rez wrote:
Back to Totti good player in Italy, but needs to turn up in a big game before he can be talked about in the same breath as Del Piero and Le Tissier ;-).

bluenine wrote:Again Rez, you demonstrate your knowledge about Italian football!! Ever since the emergence of Totti, Del Piero has been restricted as a bench player for the azzurri, sometimes as a Totti replacement. While Totti is the undisputed fantasista for Italy, a role which DP had before him... that kinda shows what a series of national coaches including DP's favourite Lippi think of the two players... so do you know something they don't??

Le Tissier, great player... very under rated... in that way he is similar to Totti, both are very under rated outside their country. The difference is in magnitude - Totti was better in a bigger stage. Totti has dominated a league which included players like Zidane, Ronaldo and Kaka at their best... Totti was/is better than all of them in the league. You think Kaka should be WPOTY?? Totti has been tons better than him this season... the only diff is that Kaka plays for Milan and Totti has stayed loyal to his smaller team...

I think Totti is a twat, don't like him as a person.... as a player, I have seen very few at the same level in 20 years of watching football.

As for not playing well against english sides, for most of the people on this planet, that is hardly a criteria! The world does not revolve around England, you know

Rez wrote:
Back to Totti good player in Italy, but needs to turn up in a big game before he can be talked about in the same breath as Del Piero and Le Tissier ;-).

Rez wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:
He may say some very controversial things, but I'll give Pierre credit on one thing: he always said the minute Man U come up against an experienced CL side, SAF's side would crash out of the tournament.

My oh my was he right, and how embarrassing it was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bJy_ALOSY4

Those goals are almost as sweet as seeing Gerrard's face on May 23.

Back on topic...here is another of Totti's great goals this season:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4Jj1PTKuAg (Palermo-Roma).

I said we would lose against Milan, when I discovered we had half the first team missing and a squad of 14 players (who had played in the premiership). The small squad ran out of steam, just after the second Roma game, after that the whole team didnt really play that well.



United and Milans season were the complete opposite; united started of brilliantly and tailed off in March, were as Milan were poor up until Feb. You definitely played us at the right time, if we had played you at the start of the season, the score would have been very different. Its no coincidence that there were only two teams left in the CL QF that were competiting for their domestic league. Hopefuly next season we can play you with a fit and fresh squad and settle the score.


Anyway united have nothing to do with Tottis growing reputation as a petulant choker.



Sorry for ruining your thread and I look forward to seeing Totti play an English side in the CL next season. Hopefully he will stay on the pitch long enough to finally impress us.

bluenine wrote:Again Rez, you demonstrate your knowledge about Italian football!! Ever since the emergence of Totti, Del Piero has been restricted as a bench player for the azzurri, sometimes as a Totti replacement.

Tweedle wrote:Thats a lie

Delps hasn't been a bench player for 10 years. Its only been the last 5 or so

bluenine wrote:Again Rez, you demonstrate your knowledge about Italian football!! Ever since the emergence of Totti, Del Piero has been restricted as a bench player for the azzurri, sometimes as a Totti replacement.

merseyman wrote:
Claudio Gentile is not a footballer, he is a pure thug... but it didn't stop that Fascist rag that is the "Gazzetta dello Sport (Forza's bedime reading!) from titling: "Gentile, che grinta!" after he'd spent 90 minutes nobbling Maradona in 1982. But no, the real axe murderer in world football is that despicable Poulsen for preventing darling golden boy Francesco from finally showing his worth on the world scene. Oops... better make that the European scene

Pierre Littbarski wrote:I agree with Merseyman that Gazza was excellent in Italy when fit and he seemed to win the MOTM award every time he played during his second season.

He is IMO the greatest player we've ever produced.

Whilst Danny Murphy is only good he's very gifted and has a very good eye for a defence splitting pass.

merseyman wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:I agree with Merseyman that Gazza was excellent in Italy when fit and he seemed to win the MOTM award every time he played during his second season.

He is IMO the greatest player we've ever produced.

Whilst Danny Murphy is only good he's very gifted and has a very good eye for a defence splitting pass.

At the risk of hijacking Forza's thread, I'd agree with your Danny Murphy assessment (I wasn't intending to denigrate him for one minute... I'd just consider him some way below the echelon of what are universally considered great players).

Don't quite agree on Gazza, FWIW. It's always hard to make comparisons between eras, but I'd rate Hoddle fractionally higher in the "midfield genius" stakes. And if we extend it to include players in any role, there's another fellow from Gazza's part of the world (more or less) who'd be the first name in any England All-Time XI chosen by yours truly. A pity that his career was blighted by injuries, but when he was fit no one could get close to him.

merseyman wrote:
Claudio Gentile is not a footballer, he is a pure thug... but it didn't stop that Fascist rag that is the "Gazzetta dello Sport (Forza's bedime reading!) from titling: "Gentile, che grinta!" after he'd spent 90 minutes nobbling Maradona in 1982. But no, the real axe murderer in world football is that despicable Poulsen for preventing darling golden boy Francesco from finally showing his worth on the world scene. Oops... better make that the European scene

merseyman wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:
edit: the Le Tissier-Danny Murphy comments are just absurd IMO, unless they are pure wind-ups. Anyway, it would be the equivalent of an Italian poster claiming that Gazza can't be mentioned in the same breath as Eugenio Corini or Owen/Rooney not being a patch on Lucarelli etc etc, you get my drift

P.S. I dont blame Totti one bit for what he did to Poulsen, who is no doubt the biggest c*nt in world football. In that situation, i would have even justified a headbutt in the face or a kick to the groin.

Poulsen is not a footballer, he is a pure thug. We all know what he did to Kaka in the Schalke games and how he kicks,stomps and punches his opponents when the ref isnt watching. Hell we saw that even a couple of weeks ago when he punched that Sweden player in the stomach and then pretended that nothing happened. I dont feel any sympathy whatsoever for Poulsen and i still maintain that he deserves to get beaten up severely

Claudio Gentile is not a footballer, he is a pure thug... but it didn't stop that Fascist rag that is the "Gazzetta dello Sport (Forza's bedime reading!) from titling: "Gentile, che grinta!" after he'd spent 90 minutes nobbling Maradona in 1982. But no, the real axe murderer in world football is that despicable Poulsen for preventing darling golden boy Francesco from finally showing his worth on the world scene. Oops... better make that the European scene

As for the Totti-Keown incident, YES I think that Keown made a meal of it. But there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Totti raked his hand in Keown's face. The commentators in Italy condemned Keown initially. But the slow motion replay revealed that Totti had stopped and looked around to see where Keown was while the ball was still in the air, before raking his hand in his face (and making no attempt to play the ball). Once this became evident, they said that Totti deserved everything he got... and when Italian commentators criticise one of their own, it's time to open a bottle of champers!

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:
Er...you quote me, then you launch a mild ad hominem attack. However, I didn't write the original post. Red n' Black did.

One would struggle to find bolder examples of fabrication in Silvio Berlusconi's Italy.

merseyman wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:I agree with Merseyman that Gazza was excellent in Italy when fit and he seemed to win the MOTM award every time he played during his second season.

He is IMO the greatest player we've ever produced.

Whilst Danny Murphy is only good he's very gifted and has a very good eye for a defence splitting pass.

At the risk of hijacking Forza's thread, I'd agree with your Danny Murphy assessment (I wasn't intending to denigrate him for one minute... I'd just consider him some way below the echelon of what are universally considered great players).

Don't quite agree on Gazza, FWIW. It's always hard to make comparisons between eras, but I'd rate Hoddle fractionally higher in the "midfield genius" stakes. And if we extend it to include players in any role, there's another fellow from Gazza's part of the world (more or less) who'd be the first name in any England All-Time XI chosen by yours truly. A pity that his career was blighted by injuries, but when he was fit no one could get close to him.

merseyman wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:
edit: the Le Tissier-Danny Murphy comments are just absurd IMO, unless they are pure wind-ups. Anyway, it would be the equivalent of an Italian poster claiming that Gazza can't be mentioned in the same breath as Eugenio Corini or Owen/Rooney not being a patch on Lucarelli etc etc, you get my drift

P.S. I dont blame Totti one bit for what he did to Poulsen, who is no doubt the biggest c*nt in world football. In that situation, i would have even justified a headbutt in the face or a kick to the groin.

Poulsen is not a footballer, he is a pure thug. We all know what he did to Kaka in the Schalke games and how he kicks,stomps and punches his opponents when the ref isnt watching. Hell we saw that even a couple of weeks ago when he punched that Sweden player in the stomach and then pretended that nothing happened. I dont feel any sympathy whatsoever for Poulsen and i still maintain that he deserves to get beaten up severely

Claudio Gentile is not a footballer, he is a pure thug... but it didn't stop that Fascist rag that is the "Gazzetta dello Sport (Forza's bedime reading!) from titling: "Gentile, che grinta!" after he'd spent 90 minutes nobbling Maradona in 1982. But no, the real axe murderer in world football is that despicable Poulsen for preventing darling golden boy Francesco from finally showing his worth on the world scene. Oops... better make that the European scene

As for the Totti-Keown incident, YES I think that Keown made a meal of it. But there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Totti raked his hand in Keown's face. The commentators in Italy condemned Keown initially. But the slow motion replay revealed that Totti had stopped and looked around to see where Keown was while the ball was still in the air, before raking his hand in his face (and making no attempt to play the ball). Once this became evident, they said that Totti deserved everything he got... and when Italian commentators criticise one of their own, it's time to open a bottle of champers!

Parks lives wrote:I'd guess Robson.

Even Gazza was in awe of the man.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

merseyman wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:I agree with Merseyman that Gazza was excellent in Italy when fit and he seemed to win the MOTM award every time he played during his second season.

He is IMO the greatest player we've ever produced.

Whilst Danny Murphy is only good he's very gifted and has a very good eye for a defence splitting pass.

At the risk of hijacking Forza's thread, I'd agree with your Danny Murphy assessment (I wasn't intending to denigrate him for one minute... I'd just consider him some way below the echelon of what are universally considered great players).

Don't quite agree on Gazza, FWIW. It's always hard to make comparisons between eras, but I'd rate Hoddle fractionally higher in the "midfield genius" stakes. And if we extend it to include players in any role, there's another fellow from Gazza's part of the world (more or less) who'd be the first name in any England All-Time XI chosen by yours truly. A pity that his career was blighted by injuries, but when he was fit no one could get close to him.

Hmmm...

...Waddle ?

Robson ?

Beardsley ?

Rez wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Rez wrote:I see Merseyman opened up a new can of worms, good work son, I quite like the being owned by Danny Murphy and not being a patch on Le Tissier. Both are half truths, but true enough to wind up the Totti fans, brilliant stuff.

Le Tissier scored some awesome goals, probably better than any player I have seen. Had he played in Europe he would have shown how good he is, without constantly having nosebleeds spitting, or elbowing people ;-).

I think why Le Tissier never played regularly for England, deserves its own thread as he was a wonderful player.

As for the sub standard debate, it was started by Pierre because he wanted to belittle uniteds achievements. He is trying to start a new one to explain how united won the league this season. Apparently we didnt win it Chelsea gave it to us, by having infighting between Mourinho and Roman.

I guess his theory has credibilty as Chelsea were top of the league from day one and then Chelsea had their 'injury crisis' - the one where Terry played more games than Nevile and Vidic, we overtook them and won the league.

No one should take Pierre that seriously, when it concerns United, Henry, French football, Totti, Italian football..... After all he spent months hyping up the Frenchies and Roma while slagging of united. So it was rather funny watching united eliminate one and destroy the other.

Back to Totti good player in Italy, but needs to turn up in a big game before he can be talked about in the same breath as Del Piero and Le Tissier ;-).

There isnt really much difference between Del Piero and Totti in terms of performing in big games. DP has always underperformed for Italy, and since his injury, he hasnt been too hot in the CL either. I suppose he scored against the likes of Newcastle, United, Celtic etc. so that means he's a big game player in your book Rez.

Since his injury Delps hasnt been the same, but prior to his injury he performed in every big CL game Scoring some great goals against united, Monaco and in the 97 CL final. He also had some great moments for Italy during this time. Since his injury he has been pretty rubbish, Totti does not have such an excuse.

Rez wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

merseyman wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:I agree with Merseyman that Gazza was excellent in Italy when fit and he seemed to win the MOTM award every time he played during his second season.

He is IMO the greatest player we've ever produced.

Whilst Danny Murphy is only good he's very gifted and has a very good eye for a defence splitting pass.

At the risk of hijacking Forza's thread, I'd agree with your Danny Murphy assessment (I wasn't intending to denigrate him for one minute... I'd just consider him some way below the echelon of what are universally considered great players).

Don't quite agree on Gazza, FWIW. It's always hard to make comparisons between eras, but I'd rate Hoddle fractionally higher in the "midfield genius" stakes. And if we extend it to include players in any role, there's another fellow from Gazza's part of the world (more or less) who'd be the first name in any England All-Time XI chosen by yours truly. A pity that his career was blighted by injuries, but when he was fit no one could get close to him.

Hmmm...

...Waddle ?

Robson ?

Beardsley ?

I think he is talking about Le Tissier.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
Hmmm...

...Waddle ?

Robson ?

Beardsley ?

merseyman wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
Hmmm...

...Waddle ?

Robson ?

Beardsley ?

You're quite right... I didn't specify.

Robson. Any player who can have Platini (England v France, 1982) and Maradona (Man Utd v Barcellona, 1984) in his pocket for 90 minutes AND find time to go up the other end and score two goals (on each occasion) is a little bit special. The "Captain Marvel" tag didn't begin to do him justice.

When fit, he had that extraordinary ability to make every other player on the pitch look ordinary. Something you normally only see in junior football, when one kid develops more quickly than the rest.

bluenine wrote:

When merseyman starts on an anti-italy campaign, he shoots indiscriminately

unlike berlu

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:
Er...you quote me, then you launch a mild ad hominem attack. However, I didn't write the original post. Red n' Black did.

One would struggle to find bolder examples of fabrication in Silvio Berlusconi's Italy.

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:

bluenine wrote:

When merseyman starts on an anti-italy campaign, he shoots indiscriminately

unlike berlu

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:
Er...you quote me, then you launch a mild ad hominem attack. However, I didn't write the original post. Red n' Black did.

One would struggle to find bolder examples of fabrication in Silvio Berlusconi's Italy.

You've to admire merseyman's commitment though.

Then he proceeds to guess what I read at bedtime. Yes, I supplement my healthy diet of left-leaning literature with the allegedly fascist rag that is La Gazzetta.

Every diet needs a cheat meal, I suppose.



What can I say, he gets threads moving, that's for sure.