Francesco Totti- Golden Shoe Winner 2007!

Tweedle wrote:Le Tissier was a far better player than Totti - le Tissier could do things that Totti could only dream of doing.

It still bemuses me how he never got more opportunities for England.

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BoBo Vieri wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Le Tissier was a far better player than Totti - le Tissier could do things that Totti could only dream of doing.

It still bemuses me how he never got more opportunities for England.

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Yeh and Dario Hubner was twice the player Henry will ever be.

merseyman wrote:
P.S. Personally, I'm miffed that my 6-year old nephew was overlooked - he recently scored 15 goals in a 16-1 win for his school against their neighbours in a Brighton & Hove primary school league

merseyman wrote:

Rez wrote:
Blue its 7/8 games against English sides. I have watched him play quite a few times over the past 8 years actually.

I mentioned the games against English sides as the reason why English posters dont rate him as highly as you guys do. Not everyone has the time to watch every game in every league in the world. He has played on English TV at least 15 times over the years and he hasnt ever shown us what he can do.

If someone doesnt play well in 16 matches that you have seen, you're not going to say he must be great, because I heard he is great. You make a decision from you see with your own eyes. Kaka has a high reputation in England, because he has actually played well, when people have watched him, the same way Messi had one after the game against Chelsea.

Bluey my comments were made in jest and I dont think he is a rubbish player. However I will not rate him highly until he does something to make me believe this.

As for Ronaldo he has been playing well at the highest stage since he was 19, he has done enough at the age of 22 to show, why he has the reputation he does.

Couldn't have put it better myself... and I find it worrying that there are people who are unable to take this sort of logic on board. I formally crossed Totti off my list of "greats" when, after 3 or 4 mediocre games against EPL opposition (not forgetting various other substandard performances away from Italy...), I saw him totally humbled by Danny Murphy when Roma lost to Liverpool in the 2002-03 season. Actually, I'll add a bit of spice to the debate by pointing out that I also see Totti regularly in Italy. A fine shot (his goal against Samp was one of the best I've seen this season), two good feet, and excellent vision that allows him to pick out team-mates with first-time passes from all parts of the field (caveat: when playing in Serie A, and preferably at the Olimpico). But if that's enough to catapult him into the ranks of Ronaldinho, Kaka, Zidane et al (don't even get me started on Maradona or Pele... I''ve got a cup of coffee to finish!), then I give you one name: Matt Le Tissier.

Le Tissier would regularly put in extraordinary performances for Southampton against BIG opposition (and Southampton were no Roma... they invariably struggled to avoid relegation), and won countless matches single-handed. Non-believers can just do the rounds on YouTube. Unlike Totti, Le Tissier never had the chance to produce the goods on the international stage. He picked up one international cap, and Southampton never played in Europe (not to my knowledge, anyway). But if you want someone who could be judged a genius for what he could do on his home patch, there's your man.

Incidentally, Italian press and public always poo-pooed the Golden Shoe while it was being won by star strikers from the Scottish, Greek and Hungarian leagues. But now that every man and his dog is scoring goals for fun in Italy, it's become a highly important award. Between you and me, I don't think even Totti is particularly bowled over at having won it.

P.S. Personally, I'm miffed that my 6-year old nephew was overlooked - he recently scored 15 goals in a 16-1 win for his school against their neighbours in a Brighton & Hove primary school league

Tweedle wrote:Since when was the EPL a sub-standard league?

Kimbo wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Since when was the EPL a sub-standard league?

Apparently the league was $h!t before Roman came along.

I've heard this many times on this site.

Tweedle wrote:Since when was the EPL a sub-standard league?

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Since when was the EPL a sub-standard league?

Well the EPL was certainly not a top league in the early to mid 90's. It was probably no better than what the French League is now.

Tweedle wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Since when was the EPL a sub-standard league?

Well the EPL was certainly not a top league in the early to mid 90's. It was probably no better than what the French League is now.

Le Tiss was still playing in it up until 2002 though - and was still scoring for fun from midfield

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Since when was the EPL a sub-standard league?

Well the EPL was certainly not a top league in the early to mid 90's. It was probably no better than what the French League is now.

Le Tiss was still playing in it up until 2002 though - and was still scoring for fun from midfield

clutching at straws really. He had alot of injury problems towards the end of his career, he didnt score that many after the turn of the century, so i dont quite know how that equates to scoring for fun.

Tweedle wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Since when was the EPL a sub-standard league?

Well the EPL was certainly not a top league in the early to mid 90's. It was probably no better than what the French League is now.

Le Tiss was still playing in it up until 2002 though - and was still scoring for fun from midfield

clutching at straws really. He had alot of injury problems towards the end of his career, he didnt score that many after the turn of the century, so i dont quite know how that equates to scoring for fun.

He scored two in the last two seasons - one was aginat us in his last ever game

Kimbo wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Since when was the EPL a sub-standard league?

Apparently the league was $h!t before Roman came along.

I've heard this many times on this site.

merseyman wrote:

Incidentally, Italian press and public always poo-pooed the Golden Shoe while it was being won by star strikers from the Scottish, Greek and Hungarian leagues. But now that every man and his dog is scoring goals for fun in Italy, it's become a highly important award. Between you and me, I don't think even Totti is particularly bowled over at having won it.

P.S. Personally, I'm miffed that my 6-year old nephew was overlooked - he recently scored 15 goals in a 16-1 win for his school against their neighbours in a Brighton & Hove primary school league

Since 1888 wrote:Can someone inform me how many penalties there were for Totti this season? Me thinks a penalty should be worth 1 point less so Alves is the real Golden Shoe winner.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
We'll never know if he would have played well at Highbury thanks to Keown.

Cesc wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
We'll never know if he would have played well at Highbury thanks to Keown.

Thanks to Keown?!?!?!

Totti elbowed in square in the face for christ sake, the replay showed that he looked around to see where he was. It petulant things like that incident that tarnishes some of the brilliance for Totti.

Rez wrote:I see Merseyman opened up a new can of worms, good work son, I quite like the being owned by Danny Murphy and not being a patch on Le Tissier. Both are half truths, but true enough to wind up the Totti fans, brilliant stuff.

Le Tissier scored some awesome goals, probably better than any player I have seen. Had he played in Europe he would have shown how good he is, without constantly having nosebleeds spitting, or elbowing people ;-).

I think why Le Tissier never played regularly for England, deserves its own thread as he was a wonderful player.

As for the sub standard debate, it was started by Pierre because he wanted to belittle uniteds achievements. He is trying to start a new one to explain how united won the league this season. Apparently we didnt win it Chelsea gave it to us, by having infighting between Mourinho and Roman.

I guess his theory has credibilty as Chelsea were top of the league from day one and then Chelsea had their 'injury crisis' - the one where Terry played more games than Nevile and Vidic, we overtook them and won the league.

No one should take Pierre that seriously, when it concerns United, Henry, French football, Totti, Italian football..... After all he spent months hyping up the Frenchies and Roma while slagging of united. So it was rather funny watching united eliminate one and destroy the other.

Back to Totti good player in Italy, but needs to turn up in a big game before he can be talked about in the same breath as Del Piero and Le Tissier ;-).

Axeslammer wrote:Well done Totti !

...and you only needed 20 penalties to reach that amount of goals

Since 1888 wrote:Can someone inform me how many penalties there were for Totti this season?

Rez wrote:I see Merseyman opened up a new can of worms, good work son, I quite like the being owned by Danny Murphy and not being a patch on Le Tissier. Both are half truths, but true enough to wind up the Totti fans, brilliant stuff.

Le Tissier scored some awesome goals, probably better than any player I have seen. Had he played in Europe he would have shown how good he is, without constantly having nosebleeds spitting, or elbowing people ;-).

I think why Le Tissier never played regularly for England, deserves its own thread as he was a wonderful player.

As for the sub standard debate, it was started by Pierre because he wanted to belittle uniteds achievements. He is trying to start a new one to explain how united won the league this season. Apparently we didnt win it Chelsea gave it to us, by having infighting between Mourinho and Roman.

I guess his theory has credibilty as Chelsea were top of the league from day one and then Chelsea had their 'injury crisis' - the one where Terry played more games than Nevile and Vidic, we overtook them and won the league.

No one should take Pierre that seriously, when it concerns United, Henry, French football, Totti, Italian football..... After all he spent months hyping up the Frenchies and Roma while slagging of united. So it was rather funny watching united eliminate one and destroy the other.

Back to Totti good player in Italy, but needs to turn up in a big game before he can be talked about in the same breath as Del Piero and Le Tissier ;-).

Red n' Black wrote:

Axeslammer wrote:Well done Totti !

...and you only needed 20 penalties to reach that amount of goals

Since 1888 wrote:Can someone inform me how many penalties there were for Totti this season?

5

edit: the Le Tissier-Danny Murphy comments are just absurd IMO, unless they are pure wind-ups. Anyway, it would be the equivalent of an Italian poster claiming that Gazza can't be mentioned in the same breath as Eugenio Corini or Owen/Rooney not being a patch on Lucarelli etc etc, you get my drift

P.S. I dont blame Totti one bit for what he did to Poulsen, who is no doubt the biggest c*nt in world football. In that situation, i would have even justified a headbutt in the face or a kick to the groin.

Poulsen is not a footballer, he is a pure thug. We all know what he did to Kaka in the Schalke games and how he kicks,stomps and punches his opponents when the ref isnt watching. Hell we saw that even a couple of weeks ago when he punched that Sweden player in the stomach and then pretended that nothing happened. I dont feel any sympathy whatsoever for Poulsen and i still maintain that he deserves to get beaten up severely

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:
edit: the Le Tissier-Danny Murphy comments are just absurd IMO, unless they are pure wind-ups. Anyway, it would be the equivalent of an Italian poster claiming that Gazza can't be mentioned in the same breath as Eugenio Corini or Owen/Rooney not being a patch on Lucarelli etc etc, you get my drift

P.S. I dont blame Totti one bit for what he did to Poulsen, who is no doubt the biggest c*nt in world football. In that situation, i would have even justified a headbutt in the face or a kick to the groin.

Poulsen is not a footballer, he is a pure thug. We all know what he did to Kaka in the Schalke games and how he kicks,stomps and punches his opponents when the ref isnt watching. Hell we saw that even a couple of weeks ago when he punched that Sweden player in the stomach and then pretended that nothing happened. I dont feel any sympathy whatsoever for Poulsen and i still maintain that he deserves to get beaten up severely

Red n' Black wrote:
edit: the Le Tissier-Danny Murphy comments are just absurd IMO, unless they are pure wind-ups. Anyway, it would be the equivalent of an Italian poster claiming that Gazza can't be mentioned in the same breath as Eugenio Corini or Owen/Rooney not being a patch on Lucarelli etc etc, you get my drift

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:
He may say some very controversial things, but I'll give Pierre credit on one thing: he always said the minute Man U come up against an experienced CL side, SAF's side would crash out of the tournament.