Is The EPL overrated??

tonigol wrote:

Football Genius wrote:

tonigol wrote:

Football Genius wrote:I love the arguement of 'money' ESPECIALLY from somebody supporting the Italian league.

It quite blatently isn't an arguement about money, rather, envious eyes and blatent jealousy because YOUR league doesn't have the money...

There are far too many good players to all want to play in one league espeically when the weather and culture in Spain and Italy play a role in transfers, so money will never create one ultimate league.

Your speaking out of your anal valve...

This is what i am jelous about:

- World Cup 2006 - congrats
- CL 2006/7 - congrats
- European Golden Boots 2005/6 and 2006/7congrats
- Player of the year 2006/7 - in what....
- kaka will prob get 2007/8 player of the year (playing for Milan) pure speculation, for all you know Silvestre could win it
- lorens team of the year 2006 (Italy) means zilch to me bud
- An Italian coach basically winning la Liga with Real Madrid (not to mention Italian coaches winning all other major titles apart from EPL) with an Englishman who dragged his team over the finish line
- Italy has the best youth, along with Portugal and Argentinaagain pure speculation

cannavaro won player of the year, both the ballon dor and fifa player of the yr

Speculation or not, the potential is there ... Look at it this way, remember the Milan V Man u game .. that was the game in which was meant to settle the debate about who was the best player of the yr, and im afraid kaka finished miles ahead

I don't recall this, maybe in telly tubby land (where you appear to be)

Apart from Man Utd having a ravished defence,(kinda helping Kaka out a little there) i didn't see Kaka finish miles ahead, Rooney banged in two quality goals.. and if you ask me who was the most important player on the park those nights it would have to be Gattuso...

tonigol wrote:

Football Genius wrote:

tonigol wrote:

Football Genius wrote:You don't go broke because you have money you fucking imbecile... you go broke because you have no money or have spent all your money... that is poor management, not a problem due to increasing levels of investment into a league or club.

wow you are a dumb f@ck .... madrid normally has more money than any one else, explain to me why they have nearly gone broke before (and the govt stepped in so it wouldn’t happen)

ill give you an answer ... because you win nothing!!!!!!!!

when you dont win, and spend big, you lose money dumb f@ck, not to mention the owners getting sick of losing and bailing out, leavening the club in even more fucking trouble

seriously your a dumb c**t

The almost went broke for the very reasons i've articulated, poor managment, i.e spending money they don't have...

Thank god you don't run the economy, of for that matter any business, you don't have your own bank account do you? i'd close it if i were you, the concept of cash flow is quite obviously a step too far!

ok dumb f@ck .. how do you suppose you make money if you dont win anything????????????

care to explain why the investors stepped away from West ham last season???? beachside they were loosing every fucking game

@ Deano i'll leave this one in your court

business lesson - don't spend money you're not guranteed to get back... there will be a fixed income i.e TV revenue, Season tickets, projected ticket sales etc, you don't spend 'hopeing' you are going to win the Champions League.

The Italian spending was fuelled by speculation mcuh like Leeds'.

the present EPL investment is being funded by private finances and revenue (tickets, merchandise and TV).

I can't see any of the teams that are spending in the EPL at present going into any sort of debt

If the likes of Abramovich get bored and leave, the clubs will get into some big fucking debts indeed.

Tweedle wrote:The Italian spending was fuelled by speculation mcuh like Leeds'.

the present EPL investment is being funded by private finances and revenue (tickets, merchandise and TV).

I can't see any of the teams that are spending in the EPL at present going into any sort of debt

so you cant see this happening to Man City???

tonigol wrote:

Rez wrote:@Toni gol


The EPL is not overrated, last season it was the best league. This season I expect la liga to catch up, Seri A is still behind. I know you will talk about Milan being European champions, but this does not reflect the strength of a league. For example in 2004, a French and a Portuguese club contested the CL final, no one claimed these were the top 2 leagues in the world.

Regarding Rossi, he is one of my fave players and I thought he would go on to become a united legend. He is not as good as Rooney, he is only a year younger than him and hasnt really done anything of note yet (apart from save Parma from relegation).

Rooney at the age of 16 scored the goal of the season to beat the champions of England and break there 35 plus unbeaten run.

Rooney at the age of 18, was the star player of the European championships scoring 4 goals and winning a penalty against France. Rooney becomes the most expensive teenager ever and scores a hat trick on his CL debut.

Rossi has a long way to go, before he can be compared to Rooney.

Ps Rossi is awesome and will become a superstar and be the star of the Italian national team. However Rooney already is.

man f@ck off

its so poor, yet each Italian player who won the WC 06 played in italy??

Italian coaches won all major tournaments over the past 2 yrs, apart from EPL

player of the yr??

Not to mention this was considered a really bad time in Italian football

don forget Inter were unlucky to to beat Valencia 4 or 5-0, the goals just didn’t want to go in


keep on talking up rooney ..... rooney had one good yr, and has done f@ck all for the past 3 yrs

reason why rossi cant make it into the national team, because player like luca toni are infornt of him, who scored 31 goals in 05-06 … England has a bunch of $h!t kickers for strikers, hence why rooney is selected.

rooney is $h!t and thats the end of it

rossi will be come a far greater player than rooney the pig

scores a hatrick in CL, then dont score again for 2 yrs

look at it this way .. rooney and ronaldo are the same age, yet Ronaldo is the best player in the epl, while rooney is his shadow ... keep blowing your load over an overrated pig

when rooney single handedly wins the EPl (like ronaldo) Cl (Like kaka) or a world cup, then tell me how good he is, until then i don’t want to here your $h!t about how he had one good season 3 yrs ago

You're actually quite funny, until I remember you're actually being serious.

Inter should have won by 5, but didnt even win the game, I think one of us is exaggerating slightly. If you want to talk about being unlucky;

- how about man utd, playing Milan without the first choice defence,
with a tired team who were chasing the treble and didnt have fortune of
resting the whole team before both ties.

- How about Australians being cheated out of the WC, or France
completely outplaying Italy and still losing.

All the above is what you would call unlucky, my over zealous and blinkered friend.

The great Luca Toni who has score less goals in International competitions and 7 less CL goals than Rooney, despite being 9 years older than him

I am a Manchester United fan and I am 95% certain I have watched Rossi, Ronaldo and Rooney play more games than you have.

Ronaldo and Rooney are as good as each other, although Rooneys game is way more complete than Ronaldo. So in that respect, if Ronaldo was to complete his game, he would probably go on to become the better player.

Firstly Ronaldo is 22 and Rooney is 21 and secondly you need to learn the difference between playing better and actually being better, before you start spouting bile, based on bias and supposition.

Also it shows how rubbish Italian football is when an overrated pig can score 4 goals past the two best CL Italian teams.

Rooney is 21 years old, he scored 24 goals last season for a championship winning team that came close to winning the treble (ie it was still possible in May).

I am pretty certain that you couldnt name 21 year old who has done as much as him!

tonigol wrote:

Tweedle wrote:The Italian spending was fuelled by speculation mcuh like Leeds'.

the present EPL investment is being funded by private finances and revenue (tickets, merchandise and TV).

I can't see any of the teams that are spending in the EPL at present going into any sort of debt

so you cant see this happening to Man City???

Well not really - their owner is a billionnaire and is using his personal funds to finance the transfers.

If he left then a settlement with the club would have to be agreed and they would come out of that agreement with no debt

France completely outplaying Italy and still losing.

did you see the game ... France got a bogus penalty, and luca toni got a goal disallowed, which henry scored one exactly the same against brazil

so yea they were really better

and luca toni won a world cup, rooney never will

ROONEY SCORED 14 goals in the league , 5 in rubbish cup games and 4 in the CL

whats the big deal???????

at 21 he has achieved nothing , but won teh EPL with man u, that ronaldo handed to him on a silver platter .... im guessing rooney was better than ronaldo at the WC as well .. f@ck off tosser

rooney is $h!t

when rooney wins the WC, player of the yr, and European golden boot, then talk to me about it


ohh and im very sure Ronaldo (R9) had won more by the age of 21

I am aslo quite sure a some one by the name of MESSI has won the Cl and La liga

so go shove that one up your fat ass

tonigol wrote:

ROONEY SCORED 14 goals in the league , 5 in rubbish cup games and 4 in the CL

whats the big deal???????

at 21 he has achieved nothing , but won teh EPL with man u, that ronaldo handed to him on a silver platter .... im guessing rooney was better than ronaldo at the WC as well .. f@ck off tosser

rooney is $h!t

tonigol wrote:
I am aslo quite sure a some one by the name of MESSI has won the Cl and La liga

so go shove that one up your fat ass

Messi played in none of the knock out games that season.

Name us an Italian player of roughly the same as as Rooney who is better than him toni.....

MESSI IS ALSO 19 YRS OLD!!!!!!!!!

his buy out clause is over $100 mill

you stupid f@ck, messi is the next great player the world will see

When messi wakes up, just before training, he travels over to England, takes a dump on rooneys face, and then returns back to spain to train with barca

Messi is NOT Italian

FFS , didn't you even know that !

God , your a clueless whore.

Messi doesn't play in Serie A and isn't Italian tonigol

Ronaldo is better than Messi at present anyway; he doesn't play in Serie A and isn't Italian either

In fact does Serie A have any potential world class talents? Pato for Milan: thats it!

tonigol wrote:1934 .... were you alive for that???? how do you know then???? im quite sure there have been many rigged ones, including 2 or the 3 WC wins for germany, WC 2002 for korea and in 1966!!!!

rso calcopoli is bad, but the mass murders you poms did is nothing i guess??? ohh and the poms just liek to sweap it under the rug, just liek they did with the bungs, etc

No I wasn't alive, but there is such a thing as a "secondary source" which means one doesn't have to have directly witnessed an event to have an opinion about it.

As such, I know that Il Duce himself made sure that Italy won the 1934 WC on their own soil for propaganda purposes. It was scandalous really. The fact that other WCs have been rigged is more or less irrelevant since we are not talking about the fact that the 1954 German team were on drugs or whatever.

Mass murders ? As far as I'm aware we're actually talking about football, not British military campaigns of the early 20th century. Or indeed the questionable acts of the Italian military both in Abyssinia prior to WW2 and in WW2 itself.

lmao tonigol your calling rooney $h!t any italian team would love to have him lmao your just bitter againest the english dear o dear

Raifael wrote:Messi is NOT Italian

FFS , didn't you even know that !

God , your a clueless whore.

really, i thought he was african ... ohh no, im mistaking that for the English playersenglish players


Messi actually has Italian blood in him, and the surname messi is also an Italian name

So go put that up you bum

George is an English name. Does that make George Weah english?

Hardrada wrote: since we are not talking about the fact that the 1954 German team were on drugs or whatever.

As was every other team, including the Hungarians (no doping test, or awareness even, back then). This small detail never gets mentioned, one has to wonder why? Ah yes, since it can't be that those Krauts beat them by fair means.

Tweedle wrote:George is an English name. Does that make George Weah english?

no, but weah aint english dumb f@ck ... his father is italian moron

tonigol wrote:

Tweedle wrote:George is an English name. Does that make George Weah english?

no, but weah aint english dumb f@ck ... his father is italian moron

that's a bit harsh. do you even know his father?

tonigol wrote:

Tweedle wrote:George is an English name. Does that make George Weah english?

no, but weah aint english dumb f@ck ... his father is italian moron

Simone Perotta is English but you don't hear us all crying about it and claiming him to be one of our own!

Fact is, Messi's mum is an Argie, Messi was born in Argentina and Messi was brought up in Argentina - Italy has nothing whatsoever to do with his development. 'tard

tonigol wrote:

Raifael wrote:Messi is NOT Italian

FFS , didn't you even know that !

God , your a clueless whore.

really, i thought he was african ... ohh no, im mistaking that for the English playersenglish players


Messi actually has Italian blood in him, and the surname messi is also an Italian name

So go put that up you bum

So Klose is Polish afterall

Tweedle wrote:

tonigol wrote:

Tweedle wrote:George is an English name. Does that make George Weah english?

no, but weah aint english dumb f@ck ... his father is italian moron

Simone Perotta is English but you don't hear us all crying about it and claiming him to be one of our own!

Fact is, Messi's mum is an Argie, Messi was born in Argentina and Messi was brought up in Argentina - Italy has nothing whatsoever to do with his development. 'tard

well i think it does .. his father was his coach up until he went to barca


plus i aint the one who brought up the whole lessi is italian

i was just proveing that at 19, messi achived so mcuh more than rooney

'cept that Messi barely featured in both the seasons Barca won la liga and the season they won the CL.

In fact the one season where he has featured significantly, they came second

Tweedle wrote:'cept that Messi barely featured in both the seasons Barca won la liga and the season they won the CL.

In fact the one season where he has featured significantly, they came second

so you are saying roney is better than messi??????????????

hahahahahahahaaha

f@ck off

blutgraetsche wrote:

Hardrada wrote: since we are not talking about the fact that the 1954 German team were on drugs or whatever.

As was every other team, including the Hungarians (no doping test, or awareness even, back then). This small detail never gets mentioned, one has to wonder why? Ah yes, since it can't be that those Krauts beat them by fair means.

The Germans did it most blatantly though. The team doctor admitted giving injections before the final (though he claimed it was vitamin C), several German players contracted jaundice after the game - in fact 8 of the 11 had fallen ill before the end of the season. Additionally, most of them ended up in rest homes at a far younger age than usual.

Of course, the main problem is that Hungary destroyed Germany in the groups, then Germany mysteriously improved drastically.

Personally, I don't think any team that took drugs to win can be classed as having won "by fair means", regardless of whether everyone else was doping or not. Same reason Ben Johnson doesn't count as a 100m champion.

Anyway, lots of WCs have been won dubiously, '54 was just the first that came to mind. Could have gone for '66 or '78 I suppose.

tonigol wrote:France completely outplaying Italy and still losing.

did you see the game ... France got a bogus penalty, and luca toni got a goal disallowed, which henry scored one exactly the same against brazil

so yea they were really better

and luca toni won a world cup, rooney never will

ROONEY SCORED 14 goals in the league , 5 in rubbish cup games and 4 in the CL

whats the big deal???????

at 21 he has achieved nothing , but won teh EPL with man u, that ronaldo handed to him on a silver platter .... im guessing rooney was better than ronaldo at the WC as well .. f@ck off tosser

rooney is $h!t

when rooney wins the WC, player of the yr, and European golden boot, then talk to me about it


ohh and im very sure Ronaldo (R9) had won more by the age of 21

I am aslo quite sure a some one by the name of MESSI has won the Cl and La liga

so go shove that one up your fat ass

Guivarch and Kleberson have World cup medals, are they the best players in the world.

Ronaldo (Brazil) is one of the greatest players of the past 20 years, so its no surprise that he is behind him.

Messi didnt play mant games when they won the league and only played one CL K.O game. Last season he played more games and they didnt win anything. So it can be said that Barca were more successful without him.

Messi has never played a full season in his life, he has the potential to be WPOTY, but he hasnt done enough yet to claim, he is better than Rooney.

No one claimed Rooney was the best player in the world, but at the age of 21, there arent many other players who have done as much as he has. In fact apart from Brazil Ronaldo, I cant think of anyone. If you do please let me know.

There isnt an Italian player or player in Seri A under the age of 24 that is as good as him or proved it on the biggest stage.

tell me when rooney has ripped it up please????

any striker can play fo a team like man u and do good, but he still dont come close to C.Ronaldo at all

In the past 3 yrs he has been a total joke in the CL and for England

Wow he does alright in the EPl for man U

Pitty i could play for man u and im sure they would win the league

tonigol wrote:tell me when rooney has ripped it up please????

this thread is hilarious. every cogent argument made to tonigol is met with ever more absurd responses. this being the latest and greatest.

Is this the same guy from the under 21 tournament?

Very similar ways of writing and posting and also very pro-Seria A.