Is The EPL overrated??

no I just love sticking it to the poms

knowing they are an inferior nation to the likes of Italy, Australia and the US

Hardrada wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:

Hardrada wrote: since we are not talking about the fact that the 1954 German team were on drugs or whatever.

As was every other team, including the Hungarians (no doping test, or awareness even, back then). This small detail never gets mentioned, one has to wonder why? Ah yes, since it can't be that those Krauts beat them by fair means.

The Germans did it most blatantly though. The team doctor admitted giving injections before the final (though he claimed it was vitamin C), several German players contracted jaundice after the game - in fact 8 of the 11 had fallen ill before the end of the season. Additionally, most of them ended up in rest homes at a far younger age than usual.

Of course, the main problem is that Hungary destroyed Germany in the groups, then Germany mysteriously improved drastically.

Personally, I don't think any team that took drugs to win can be classed as having won "by fair means", regardless of whether everyone else was doping or not. Same reason Ben Johnson doesn't count as a 100m champion.

Anyway, lots of WCs have been won dubiously, '54 was just the first that came to mind. Could have gone for '66 or '78 I suppose.

Germany played with a B or rather C team in the groups, another detail that never gets mentioned. The fact remains that they didn't do anything illegal back then, simply because there was no awareness for doping whatsoever in general. This changed (much) later.

@ toni

Name us an Italian forward; i'll be generous..., under the age of 25 that is better than Rooney?

There isn't one! and that's for the 'world's best international team'

Luca toni is better than him .... why do i care about age

by the time Rossi is 21, and if Donadoni isn’t a moron and selects him, Rossi will have won Euro 2008

tonigol wrote:tell me when rooney has ripped it up please????

any striker can play fo a team like man u and do good, but he still dont come close to C.Ronaldo at all

In the past 3 yrs he has been a total joke in the CL and for England

Wow he does alright in the EPl for man U

Pitty i could play for man u and im sure they would win the league

Mate your deranged ramblings make no sense, but its good entertainment anyway.

I think he ripped it up against Roma and Milan, a team containing players from the great Italian world cup team.

Anyway Toni goal, now that we have demonstrated that Rooney is better than any player in Seri A under the age of 24, the whole Rooney debate is well, really a debate anymore.

So I say lets talk about Luca Toni, considering he is 9/10 years older and has achieved so much more;

Lets talk about his best ever CL goal... oh wait he has never scored in the CL.

Lets talk about how many goals he will score in this seasons Champions League...... oh wait he wont be playing in the CL.

Lets talk about his big money move to a top European club in a top league... oh wait he went to a Uefa cup team in the Bundesliga.

I guess we have run out of things to talk about, in regards to Toni. So I guess we should just carry on talking about Rooney;

How many players apart from Brazil Ronaldo has achieved as much as Rooney at the age of 21?????

tonigol wrote:no I just love sticking it to the poms

knowing they are an inferior nation to the likes of Italy, Australia and the US

Inferior sporting nation?

I doubt you could actually name a sport in which Britian are behind all three. You of course will, probably something like Lacroose. Even if we are average at most sports, we are still well above most nations across the board.

I wonder did Rai ever go and put it up his bum



Fair play to toni for keeping so many people entertained all day

tonigol wrote:Luca toni is better than him .... why do i care about age

by the time Rossi is 21, and if Donadoni isn’t a moron and selects him, Rossi will have won Euro 2008

Yet he'd still be a shitter footballer than Rooney

Franco Baresi never won a World Cup, Roque Junior has. Does that make Junior better than Baresi?

Dwarf wrote:

tonigol wrote:no I just love sticking it to the poms

knowing they are an inferior nation to the likes of Italy, Australia and the US

Inferior sporting nation?

I doubt you could actually name a sport in which Britian are behind all three. You of course will, probably something like Lacroose. Even if we are average at most sports, we are still well above most nations across the board.

I think we would own Italy at Lacrosse.

Swimming is the only major sport those 3 are better than us at.

But yeah, I don't think anyone could justifiably argue that Italy are a better sporting nation than England.

Rez wrote:
No one claimed Rooney was the best player in the world, but at the age of 21, there arent many other players who have done as much as he has. In fact apart from Brazil Ronaldo, I cant think of anyone. If you do please let me know.

I rate Rooney, but thats a tad bit of exageration. Ronaldo at that age was twice WPOTY, Rooney by no means is at that level - there is no comparison! Or even at Paolo Maldini level when he was Rooney's age and was regarded as the best LB in the world and a coupla CLs under his belt.

More recent examples?

Adriano at that age had led Brazil to Copa America win as top scorer, after FIFA youth cup win and South America youth championship win, & Brazilian Champions' Cup.

Tevez was already 3 time winner of South American player of teh year by Rooney's age!

Personal awards/achievements aside, IMO Messi is better than all of them (Adriano/Tevez/Rooney).

COTR wrote:I wonder did Rai ever go and put it up his bum



Fair play to toni for keeping so many people entertained all day

Not really , Messi is a Argentine if anyone finds this hard to digest , well they have severe mental difficulties.

Dwarf wrote:

tonigol wrote:no I just love sticking it to the poms

knowing they are an inferior nation to the likes of Italy, Australia and the US

Inferior sporting nation?

I doubt you could actually name a sport in which Britian are behind all three. You of course will, probably something like Lacroose. Even if we are average at most sports, we are still well above most nations across the board.

tennis
Cricket
Swimming
football
F1
Moto Gp
Cycling
basketball
Golf
Winter and Summer Olympic games

Want me to keep going???

Hardrada wrote:
I think we would own Italy at Lacrosse.

Swimming is the only major sport those 3 are better than us at.

But yeah, I don't think anyone could justifiably argue that Italy are a better sporting nation than England.

World Aquatics Championships, break down:

Water Polo (Yes)
Diving (1 Bronze Medal)
Swimming (1 Gold Medal)
Synchronised Swimming (No)
Open Water Swimming (No)

A one medal difference in those sports means absolutely nothing and so they can't even claim that, but they are better than us at Water Polo.

So we're agreed that the only thing England are $h!t at is synchronised swimming and open water swimming

I'm still waiting for you to name an Italian player under the age of 25 better than Rooney

Dwarf wrote:

tonigol wrote:

Inferior sporting nation?

I doubt you could actually name a sport in which Britian are behind all three.

tennis
F1
Golf

tonigol wrote:

Dwarf wrote:

tonigol wrote:no I just love sticking it to the poms

knowing they are an inferior nation to the likes of Italy, Australia and the US

Inferior sporting nation?

I doubt you could actually name a sport in which Britian are behind all three. You of course will, probably something like Lacroose. Even if we are average at most sports, we are still well above most nations across the board.

football
Moto Gp
basketball
Winter and Summer Olympic games

Want me to keep going???

yes please

although I did help you out a bit by editing out your bullshit / sports you clearly know nothing about


Unless of course you can name me the great italian golfer I am currently unaware of

These are the top sports of the world, not to mention England invented some of them

Tennis – Both nations suck, however Italy does have a young dude coming up
Swimming – Won more gold medals at the swimming world champs
Football – world champs, CL winners, you name it, they won it in the past 2 yrs

F1 – Ferrari better than any pom team .. oh and tarts right mclaren had to steal Ferrari documents to get back to being a good team

Moto Gp – Rossi owns all
Cycling – far greater
Basketball – far greater, bronze at Olympics if im not wrong
Winter and Summer Olympic games – always win more gold and more medals overall

Rugby - England is better

So in terms of sport, wow, england are better are one sport than Italy

Where's Boxing & Golf?

Plus Formula 1.

Tennis – Both nations suck, however Italy does have a young dude coming up

True ... if you forget about one of the best youngsters in the world tennis.. ill leave you to figure out the name

F1 – Ferrari better than any pom team .. oh and tarts right mclaren had to steal Ferrari documents to get back to being a good team

I guess being top of both the constructors and driver champonships is irrelevant in Tonigol land

Cycling – far greater

Have a look at the last indoor cycling championships pal. again you will get a big surprise

Basketball – far greater, bronze at Olympics if im not wrong

who cares about basketball ???

Rugby - England is better

True

So in terms of sport, wow, england are better are one sport than Italy

Ah I see golf goes mysteriously missing this time

convenient that

tonigol wrote:
F1 – Ferrari better than any pom team .. oh and tarts right mclaren had to steal Ferrari documents to get back to being a good team

Sop deluded.

Who is top of the individual points and conctructor champs at present?

Both English...

tonigol wrote:
Tennis – Both nations suck, however Italy does have a young dude coming up

I better let you in on a little secret. Italy have 1 player in the world's top 30. Britain have 1 in the top 15. This Italian is the same age as Roger Federer. The other main Italian player (who isn't in the top 30) is older.

Tweedle wrote:

tonigol wrote:
F1 – Ferrari better than any pom team .. oh and tarts right mclaren had to steal Ferrari documents to get back to being a good team

Sop deluded.

Who is top of the individual points and conctructor champs at present?

Both English...

ahh tahst right .. mclaren stole 780 documents

when teh appeal is heard on the 13 of spetember, and mclaren are kicked out, ill want you to state why you just said again

oww and andy murry is scottish, not english .. and an italian beat him in straight sets the other day

Where are Boxing and Golf.

Still waiting....

S4P wrote:

tonigol wrote:
Tennis – Both nations suck, however Italy does have a young dude coming up

I better let you in on a little secret. Italy have 1 player in the world's top 30. Britain have 1 in the top 15. This Italian is the same age as Roger Federer. The other main Italian player (who isn't in the top 30) is older.

oww you are forgetting about women, see the poms have non, where as the italains have a few

like i said they both suck, dont dig your hole deeper

great thread.

Parks lives wrote:Where are Boxing and Golf.

Still waiting....

Ok golf .. boxing, you have one dude, whos about to get knocked out by floyd mayweather ... Italy also have a current WBO (or the other tile) champ, who just defended his title

also if you look at the history of boxing, italy has a much better history than the poms

Swarpy - I'll also let Toni in on a little secret:

There hasn't been an Italian F1 drivers Champion in over 50 years, Ascari is still the only Italian driver to have won it

Ferrari were a joke until Schumacher (German), Jean todt (French), & Ross Brawn (British) came around.

If Hamilton wins it, he'll joil D.Hill, G.Hill, Mansell, Stewart, Hunt, & Clarke as BRITISH F1 WDC's .

He says Basketball - But Ben Gordon & Luol Deng are better than any Italian plaers at the moment.

Can't believe this thread is still going....

tonigol wrote:oww and andy murry is scottish, not english .. and an italian beat him in straight sets the other day

Murray spent most of his youth training in London and Barcelona. And yes, an Italian did beat him the other day in straight sets, but then again Murray beat Fed in straight sets before. 1 result doesn't necessarily reflect the quality of 2 players.

tonigol wrote:
F1 – Ferrari better than any pom team .. oh and tarts right mclaren had to steal Ferrari documents to get back to being a good team

We've been Football world champions since your last driver won a world title.

COTR wrote:
Have a look at the last indoor cycling championships pal. again you will get a big surprise

No one cares about indoor cycling.

Wegelius finishing 10 minutes behind the best Italian in the Tour de France however.