Is The EPL overrated??

your not getting personal, but you are being a smart ass

and when did i once say la liga or EPL was bad??? Pls show me where I said this

tonigol wrote:
Back to the Everton V Tottenham game, this just consisted of long balls and players running up and down the field really fast. No wonder England hasn’t been able to do anything on the international stage since 66.

If we actually played with that kind of game on the international stage we'd do far better than current state of affairs.

A no nothing Italian wind up merchant, oh joy.

The fact you think Man City will finish top four (convieniently just as they sign alot of players from Serie A) tells us all we need to know about your knowledge of the EPL.

You're almost a carbon copy of B9 with your pro-Serie A propaganda.

tonigol wrote:

Dark Savante wrote:

tonigol wrote:

Dark Savante wrote:Ok Pazzini I will give to you since when Van Den Borre is a great prospect CM king he was but in real life you will be alot dissapointed
Matthias Lepiller from Le Havre? If so he still 19 and hasnt played any Ligue 1 games in my knowledge.
Jan Hable hmmmmmmm the U19 captain of Czech ?Lots to prove.

Yesterday was a decent game though.

man what are you on about????? all of them are under the age of 22
They are all yet to prove them selves, but are all set to be stars of the future

And look out for Lupoli .. not as good as G.Rossi, but will still be a star

Find any mistakes in what I say tell me about it.

i said they are all going to be the next stars of football

instead of acknowledging it, you say things like "hmmmmm still a lot to prove"

hence why i said "all of them are under the age of 22
They are all yet to prove them selves, but are all set to be stars of the future"

Somebody rubbished Fiorentina and you replied that they have one of the best young teams and listed some young guns , well how does that prove your argument these still have to play with each other never mind the excitement they could create or style they would play or things they would acheive.
They are U22 as you said so whats wrong in saying hmmmm lots to prove you gave the age argument because they havent proven anything.
They could or they maybe like some others lost in the limelight.

Serie A may get back to its best but its a may it may not , currently La Liga and EPL shades the Serie A if you dont agree fine.

Its only two games into the season - teams aren't yet fully into their stride.

At least the football was end to end entertainment, which is more that can be said for Serie A where they just kick the ball prettily around the centre of the pitch for 90 minutes until one of the primadonna's decides to have a punt

ffs arteta was class again.

Also re Fiorentina...

Lupoli, one of the players that Tonigol mentions was released by Arsenal - both are the fourth team in England.

Lupoli NEVER had a chance at getting into Arsenal's first team but now at Fiorentina he is apparently one of thier hottest prospects... says a lot really doesn't it

Another point.. of the players you mentioned (pazzini, Lepiller, VB, Hable, lupoli), none have the quality to go on and become world class...

There were skillfull players on the pitch, Arteta, Osman, Berbatov. Unfortunately there were also other skillfull players not picked due to injuries and various reasons. Taarabt, Bale, Lennon for instance.

I see we have a new WUM gracing the board


Welcome tonigol

I think the key factor which has been ommitted here, is the pace the EPL is generally played at, this doesn't allow the vast majority of players the time Ronaldiho, Kaka, Seedorf and Co get in their respective leagues on the ball, which is bound to affect the quality (we all drive cars far more safely at the designated speeds, but F1 is always far more exciting)

I think we see some of the very best skill at times, controlling, passing and running with the ball at the pace some of the teams do in the EPL is an extremely difficult technique to have, and combine that with the rigourous physical challenge of the premiership and the majority of La Liga and Seria A players simply wouldn't be able to handle the Premiership (as proven by some excellent players i.e Veron)

All leagues are different and different types of players excel in different leagues, thats the beauty of football.... if all leagues were the same how boring would that be.

And Toni just in case you'd forgotten, 3 EPL teams in the semi's of the Champs league last season seems to suggest a pretty strong competitive league at the top, which is even more open this season within the EPL.

Dark Savante wrote:Serie A may get back to its best but its a may it may not , currently La Liga and EPL shades the Serie A if you dont agree fine.

How is this so??? i didn’t know TV audience = Better league

i didn’t know that just because the likes of Chelsea and Man U market there product in asia and make big money from this = better league

i think that this is decided by the amount you win .. and in the past 24 months, Italian football won every major award you can win .... so i have to get the list out again???

Call me pro Italian blah blah blah … but what you win is what you got to show off, and Italian football has won more in 2 yrs, than what then what English football has in 10 years

Tweedle wrote:Also re Fiorentina...

Lupoli, one of the players that Tonigol mentions was released by Arsenal - both are the fourth team in England.

Lupoli NEVER had a chance at getting into Arsenal's first team but now at Fiorentina he is apparently one of thier hottest prospects... says a lot really doesn't it

Another point.. of the players you mentioned (pazzini, Lepiller, VB, Hable, lupoli), none have the quality to go on and become world class...

rofl

what do you have to say about G.Rosi then????????

Lupoli won young Junior EPL player of the yr ... if hes $h!t, then id love to know what the rest of the junior EPL is like

ohh and dont forget, lupoli just turned 20


when England can produce talent like this, come back and talk to me about it ok

Football Genius wrote:
And Toni just in case you'd forgotten, 3 EPL teams in the semi's of the Champs league last season seems to suggest a pretty strong competitive league at the top, which is even more open this season within the EPL.

that true, so it must be quite embarrassing that the only other team, Milan, went on to win it

Dont forget, last time there were 3 Spanish or Italian teams in the semi finals, an Italian and Spanish side won, something they couldn’t do

tonigol wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Also re Fiorentina...

Lupoli, one of the players that Tonigol mentions was released by Arsenal - both are the fourth team in England.

Lupoli NEVER had a chance at getting into Arsenal's first team but now at Fiorentina he is apparently one of thier hottest prospects... says a lot really doesn't it

Another point.. of the players you mentioned (pazzini, Lepiller, VB, Hable, lupoli), none have the quality to go on and become world class...

rofl

what do you have to say about G.Rosi then????????

Lupoli won young Junior EPL player of the yr ... if hes $h!t, then id love to know what the rest of the junior EPL is like

ohh and dont forget, lupoli just turned 20


when England can produce talent like this, come back and talk to me about it ok

Im not even sure what this is TBH

But I do know that lupoli did not even come close to making the breakthrough at arsenal so maybe he won the under 12's arsene wenger kiddie player of the year award or something similar


rossi is so good he was hyped for years by the united fans, not deemed good enough for the team and then shipped out by fergie. he may well prove him wrong but this is still the case



I don't see the point in getting into a debate over the strengths of the top leagues again. All I will say is Serie A is the only league from the top three that I do not make any sort of effort to try and watch

Rossi wanted to leave to play regular football, fergie wanted him to stay, so shipped out by fergie seems a bit different to that. Rossi is great Lupoli is not all that

tonigol wrote:
Lupoli won young Junior EPL player of the yr ... if hes $h!t, then id love to know what the rest of the junior EPL is like

ohh and dont forget, lupoli just turned 20

I don't mean to be rude, but you have either got confused with something else or you have made this up. Lupoli only made one sub appearance for Arsenal in the league so I very much doubt he won any awards from the league. Ronaldo and Rooney have won the PFA young player of the year awards in recent years. Lupoli was awarded something for being one of the most promising players in the League Cup one season, but that is hardly as prestigious an honour.

tonigol wrote:
rofl

what do you have to say about G.Rosi then????????

Couldn't handle the EPL - it was too tough for him

Lupoli won young Junior EPL player of the yr ... if hes $h!t, then id love to know what the rest of the junior EPL is like

What are YOU on about? He olny ever made 2 league apppearances for Arsenal (as a sub!)

when England can produce talent like this, come back and talk to me about it ok

Walcott is 17 and was making regular first team appearances for Arsenal last season; something Lupoli and Rossi couldn't manage

EPL>>>>>>Serie A

Sheffield gunner wrote:

tonigol wrote:
Lupoli won young Junior EPL player of the yr ... if hes $h!t, then id love to know what the rest of the junior EPL is like

ohh and dont forget, lupoli just turned 20

I don't mean to be rude, but you have either got confused with something else or you have made this up. Lupoli only made one sub appearance for Arsenal in the league so I very much doubt he won any awards from the league. Ronaldo and Rooney have won the PFA young player of the year awards in recent years. Lupoli was awarded something for being one of the most promising players in the League Cup one season, but that is hardly as prestigious an honour.

yea i wasnt sure what he won but any way

He was Arsenal's top scorer at youth/reserve level in 2004-05, with 27 goals in 32 appearances.

Lupoli scored prolifically at youth/reserve team level during the 2005-06 season. He also figured in the Gunners' 2005-06 League Cup campaign, winning the Carling Cup New Talent Award.

and to the moron who said Rossi aint that good, he scored more goals in half a season at Parma than Tevez did in a whole season at West ham ... On his debut for Vilarreal, it took him 6 minutes to score

Rossi will be the next big striker, bigger than your flop Rooney, and will bring Italy its 5th world cup

Tweedle wrote:

tonigol wrote:
rofl

what do you have to say about G.Rosi then????????

Couldn't handle the EPL - it was too tough for him

Lupoli won young Junior EPL player of the yr ... if hes $h!t, then id love to know what the rest of the junior EPL is like

What are YOU on about? He olny ever made 2 league apppearances for Arsenal (as a sub!)

when England can produce talent like this, come back and talk to me about it ok

Walcott is 17 and was making regular first team appearances for Arsenal last season; something Lupoli and Rossi couldn't manage

EPL>>>>>>Serie A

you are a joke

how many world cups England got??????

hmmm who’s won the CL more??????

Who has produced better players???????

Seire A >>>>>> EPL

the three biggest EPL teams in the CL semis, and An Italian team (who you can say has its fair share of old players) beats them to the cup, with inzaghi scoring the double (i know how much you poms hat inzaghi)

Like i said before, say all you want about Seire A, but trophies is what talks, and Italian football has a bucket load more than English football

tonigol wrote:

Dark Savante wrote:Serie A may get back to its best but its a may it may not , currently La Liga and EPL shades the Serie A if you dont agree fine.

How is this so??? i didn’t know TV audience = Better league

i didn’t know that just because the likes of Chelsea and Man U market there product in asia and make big money from this = better league

i think that this is decided by the amount you win .. and in the past 24 months, Italian football won every major award you can win .... so i have to get the list out again???

Call me pro Italian blah blah blah … but what you win is what you got to show off, and Italian football has won more in 2 yrs, than what then what English football has in 10 years

So trophies is the definitive one here ,so Greece was the best team in 2004 because they won the Euro , why do we remember Brazil 82 or the great dutch teams they didnt win anything.
First thing is trust could people trust Serie A maybe but it takes a long time building ,maybe it is still corrupt maybe not , how come Serie A has more quality then Premiership care to ellaborate.

The same flop Rooney that made Serie A's second best team last season look like a Sunday league pub side?

Rossi looks talented but he couldn't hack the EPL, it was too tough for him. Serie A is about his level, I agree. He could have gone on to become the all time top scorer there.

David Healy managed to score within a minute of his debut for Fulham. David Healy>>>Giuseppe Rossi

tonigol wrote:

Football Genius wrote:
And Toni just in case you'd forgotten, 3 EPL teams in the semi's of the Champs league last season seems to suggest a pretty strong competitive league at the top, which is even more open this season within the EPL.

that true, so it must be quite embarrassing that the only other team, Milan, went on to win it

Dont forget, last time there were 3 Spanish or Italian teams in the semi finals, an Italian and Spanish side won, something they couldn’t do

Thank you for replying to only one segment of my response. as selective as the Big Brother coverage... perhaps you could try responding and addressing all my points? not just the ones you want to try and use as a WUM.

And no i'm not embarassed that an Italian team won... the fact 3 EPL teams got to the Semi's is quite an acheivement, 3 finalists in the last 3 years isn't bad either.

Your a blatent tool, trying to get some gratification for Serie A, who if they hadn't screwed themselves over with the recent scandels perhaps wouldn't need fans like you trying to put your league on a pedastool.

tonigol wrote:

you are a joke

how many world cups England got??????

hmmm who’s won the CL more??????

Who has produced better players???????

Do any of those things have anything at all to do with the quality of the league now?

Yes, Milan won the CL last season but the EPL had three teams in the semis - that shows consistency and strength in depth. The Utd-Milan result may have ended out differently if Utd didn't have 3 of their first pick defenders out.

Seire A >>>>>> EPL

5 years ago maybe, but now, no way!

A mid table EPL side would probably be challenging for a top 6 spot in Serie A

the three biggest EPL teams in the CL semis, and An Italian team (who you can say has its fair share of old players) beats them to the cup, with inzaghi scoring the double (i know how much you poms hat inzaghi)

Yeh, he's a typical wimpish Italian surrender monkey

Like i said before, say all you want about Seire A, but trophies is what talks, and Italian football has a bucket load more than English football

At the rate that SErie A are losing crowds, by 2012 there won't be anyone watching any of the games there

Corruption in Serie A also makes the league a joke

tonigol wrote:you are a joke

how many world cups England got??????

hmmm who’s won the CL more??????

Who has produced better players???????

Seire A >>>>>> EPL

the three biggest EPL teams in the CL semis, and An Italian team (who you can say has its fair share of old players) beats them to the cup, with inzaghi scoring the double (i know how much you poms hat inzaghi)

Like i said before, say all you want about Seire A, but trophies is what talks, and Italian football has a bucket load more than English football

You have one more European Cup. That's hardly a bucket. Especially considering English teams were banned for about 5 years at the height of their powers.

About the CL this year, ManU and Liverpool did indeed let England down by losing to Milan. Oh well. Last 3 years one English winner, one Spanish, one Italian. Seems pretty balanced tbh.

Additionally it would serve you well to remember that the 1934 WC should be discounted from records as it is possibly the most fixed one of all time.

At least English football has not suffered anything as humiliating as Calciopoli in recent times.

PS I was slightly disappointed that you omitted Montolivo from the talented Viola players lists. He has more potential than most.

@ toni

You may have won more CLs, but more English clubs have won the CL than Italian clubs. Doesn't that tell you of the strength of English football over the last 40 years? (Much harder for some of these clubs to win it nowadays with all the money involved).

Typical argument, everyone stretching the truth way too far.

Rossi scored on his pl debut for Man utd and was never given much of a chance to prove he could or couldn't hack it. He was not kicked out by SAf and chose to go despite SAF not wanting to let him go, hence the buy back clause/

By the same token to say he will be bigger than Rooney might be true or not true and at this stage not true, he hasn't even played CL football let alone represent his country.

Hardrada wrote:

tonigol wrote:you are a joke

how many world cups England got??????

hmmm who’s won the CL more??????

Who has produced better players???????

Seire A >>>>>> EPL

the three biggest EPL teams in the CL semis, and An Italian team (who you can say has its fair share of old players) beats them to the cup, with inzaghi scoring the double (i know how much you poms hat inzaghi)

Like i said before, say all you want about Seire A, but trophies is what talks, and Italian football has a bucket load more than English football

You have one more European Cup. That's hardly a bucket. Especially considering English teams were banned for about 5 years at the height of their powers.

About the CL this year, ManU and Liverpool did indeed let England down by losing to Milan. Oh well. Last 3 years one English winner, one Spanish, one Italian. Seems pretty balanced tbh.

Additionally it would serve you well to remember that the 1934 WC should be discounted from records as it is possibly the most fixed one of all time.

At least English football has not suffered anything as humiliating as Calciopoli in recent times.

PS I was slightly disappointed that you omitted Montolivo from the talented Viola players lists. He has more potential than most.

So im guessing world cups, players of the yr, etc dont count???

1934 .... were you alive for that???? how do you know then???? im quite sure there have been many rigged ones, including 2 or the 3 WC wins for germany, WC 2002 for korea and in 1966!!!!

rso calcopoli is bad, but the mass murders you poms did is nothing i guess??? ohh and the poms just liek to sweap it under the rug, just liek they did with the bungs, etc

S4P wrote:@ toni

You may have won more CLs, but more English clubs have won the CL than Italian clubs. Doesn't that tell you of the strength of English football over the last 40 years? (Much harder for some of these clubs to win it nowadays with all the money involved).

nottingham forest won it once before, who are now in the 3rd devison .. wow that says alot

robert wrote:Typical argument, everyone stretching the truth way too far.

Rossi scored on his pl debut for Man utd and was never given much of a chance to prove he could or couldn't hack it. He was not kicked out by SAf and chose to go despite SAF not wanting to let him go, hence the buy back clause/

By the same token to say he will be bigger than Rooney might be true or not true and at this stage not true, he hasn't even played CL football let alone represent his country.

rooney is 100% over rated ... has never done anything

Ronaldo was ripping it up all last season for man U, and if you had taken him out of the team, man u wouldn’t have come close to winning the title .. yet before every EPL and Cl game, i had to hear the pom commentators blow there load over rooney, and how he would be the key man, yet who would score or set up a goal and save the day .. RONALDO!!! Rooney = 100% overrated