Nani and Anderson are overated?

Carrick role DLP who defends.

I still think Nani is nothing special. He scored a cracker yesterday, but many are capable of that. He'll never be on the level in terms of ability to C. Ronaldo. He's just a technically competent player with a good shot, like I previously mentioned.

Anderson haven't seen enough off to be honest. Only seen him play live in Copa where I was far from impressed. Will reserve judgement until I see play live.

Saw you on MOTM, played some great stuff.

Calidad wrote:I still think Nani is nothing special. He scored a cracker yesterday, but many are capable of that. He'll never be on the level in terms of ability to C. Ronaldo. He's just a technically competent player with a good shot, like I previously mentioned.

Anderson haven't seen enough off to be honest. Only seen him play live in Copa where I was far from impressed. Will reserve judgement until I see play live.

Saw you on MOTM, played some great stuff.

Not many will be the level of C.Ronaldo though. He is skillful, he is quick, he works hard, he has a fantastic shot. He's got a good cross. He's just 20, so he has a lot to his game.

Regarding the working hard stuff, the whole team does it now. Especially with Rooney and Tevez upfront. Yesterday it was like we had 15 men whenever Boro had the ball, and i think that's also what Fergie was trying to create. So Anderson and Nani both fit into this style. Anderson is a bonus you expect a winger to get back a bit. Where Scholes couldn't tackle and that sometimes made it difficult away in europe, Anderson can do so.

You're right, in theory Anderson could be > Scholes if he develops right. He's already quicker and a better tackler not to mention a better dribbler.

I'm already impressed by the accuracy.

Anderson completed 55 passes with 87% accuracy against Boro.

I think that he's got the greatest potential of all your players, including Rooney and Ronaldo. All the basics for a one in a generation player are there. 17 million might turn out to be a bargain.

So, what's the verdict come the end of the season?

Both have bundles and bundles of talent but both are very raw as well. Anderson had a great spell before tiring out and Nani can be very hit and miss, however when he is on form he looks quality - performance against Arsenal in the FA cup and his cameo against Liverpool in the league.

I think Nani will start alot more games next season, whilst Anderson may have to bide his time a tad longer, thought thats mainly because the competition in his position is a lot stronger in Scholes, Carrick & Hargreaves.

Parks lives wrote:Both have bundles and bundles of talent but both are very raw as well. Anderson had a great spell before tiring out and Nani can be very hit and miss, however when he is on form he looks quality - performance against Arsenal in the FA cup and his cameo against Liverpool in the league.

I think Nani will start alot more games next season, whilst Anderson may have to bide his time a tad longer, thought thats mainly because the competition in his position is a lot stronger in Scholes, Carrick & Hargreaves.

Yeah Parks summed up what i was going to post so

Calidad wrote:I still think Nani is nothing special. He scored a cracker yesterday, but many are capable of that. He'll never be on the level in terms of ability to C. Ronaldo. He's just a technically competent player with a good shot, like I previously mentioned.

Anderson haven't seen enough off to be honest. Only seen him play live in Copa where I was far from impressed. Will reserve judgement until I see play live.

Saw you on MOTM, played some great stuff.

How many times do u get it wrong when it comes to young players Calidad? First Benzema never imprssed u, Toulalan not good enough to replace either Maka or Vieira and now nani is nothing special.

I first noticed Nani in a youth championship about 2 years ago, he came on as a sub and he immediately caught my eye. One thing I noticed was his sharp turns; he can quickly turn away from his marker to create space for himself - I straight away thought he had the makings of a good player cos that's a very important quality to have in the modern game with so little space to play. I subsequently saw him against Inter, spartak moscow etc and was even more impressed as I noticed he can shoot, dribble and cross well.

Nani > Anderson

But I know the majority( the mancs , portugues fans, and others) think otherwise.

Hlebtastic wrote:

Calidad wrote:I still think Nani is nothing special. He scored a cracker yesterday, but many are capable of that. He'll never be on the level in terms of ability to C. Ronaldo. He's just a technically competent player with a good shot, like I previously mentioned.

Anderson haven't seen enough off to be honest. Only seen him play live in Copa where I was far from impressed. Will reserve judgement until I see play live.

Saw you on MOTM, played some great stuff.

How many times do u get it wrong

Into 5 figures now.

But Anderson > Nani sorry about that.

Hlebtastic wrote:

Calidad wrote:I still think Nani is nothing special. He scored a cracker yesterday, but many are capable of that. He'll never be on the level in terms of ability to C. Ronaldo. He's just a technically competent player with a good shot, like I previously mentioned.

Anderson haven't seen enough off to be honest. Only seen him play live in Copa where I was far from impressed. Will reserve judgement until I see play live.

Saw you on MOTM, played some great stuff.

How many times do u get it wrong when it comes to young players Calidad? First Benzema never imprssed u, Toulalan not good enough to replace either Maka or Vieira and now nani is nothing special.

I first noticed Nani in a youth championship about 2 years ago, he came on as a sub and he immediately caught my eye. One thing I noticed was his sharp turns; he can quickly turn away from his marker to create space for himself - I straight away thought he had the makings of a good player cos that's a very important quality to have in the modern game with so little space to play. I subsequently saw him against Inter, spartak moscow etc and was even more impressed as I noticed he can shoot, dribble and cross well.

Nani > Anderson

But I know the majority( the mancs , portugues fans, and others) think otherwise.

I swear you make things up Agooner

please find a quote where I have slagged of Benzema or Toulalan. Hell, a while ago you criticised me for suggesting Barca should have picked Toulalan over Toure. There you were saying I was slagging of Toure. I wasn't, I just thought Barca should buy an out-and-out DM, rather than a faux-DM. Clearly though, he has played well, but Barca have also leaked a lot of goals.

As for Benzema. Hell, I hadn't even seen him play until this season, and to this day him seen him play live about 4 times. I don't even remember having an opinion on him, until very, very recently, and that was only positive.

As for Toulalan, I have only ever had positive things to say about him. For like the last year and bit, which is as long as I have known him for.

The only players I've got it slightly wrong with was Messi & Sobis. I thought Sobis would come good this season, and thought Messi was a tad overrated. Wrong on both accounts.

The only youth player I was talking up at the start with any sort of conviction at the start season was Kun Aguero - and he has been amongst the best forwards in the world this season. I also mentioned Matias, Gago, Banega, & Afellay. All of whom have impressed me, like I thought they would.

As for Nani, I don't like him. Have seen him play too many $h!t games this season.

Anderson looks very good. Not exactly Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Cruyff, Beckenbaur, Pele, Maradona, Maldini, Yashin, and Zidane rolled into one like Lerd says, but still a very good player.

Nani is good, but i can't say i'm too bothered about him, i still think he cost more than he is worth.

Calidad wrote:

Hlebtastic wrote:

Calidad wrote:I still think Nani is nothing special. He scored a cracker yesterday, but many are capable of that. He'll never be on the level in terms of ability to C. Ronaldo. He's just a technically competent player with a good shot, like I previously mentioned.

Anderson haven't seen enough off to be honest. Only seen him play live in Copa where I was far from impressed. Will reserve judgement until I see play live.

Saw you on MOTM, played some great stuff.

How many times do u get it wrong when it comes to young players Calidad? First Benzema never imprssed u, Toulalan not good enough to replace either Maka or Vieira and now nani is nothing special.

I first noticed Nani in a youth championship about 2 years ago, he came on as a sub and he immediately caught my eye. One thing I noticed was his sharp turns; he can quickly turn away from his marker to create space for himself - I straight away thought he had the makings of a good player cos that's a very important quality to have in the modern game with so little space to play. I subsequently saw him against Inter, spartak moscow etc and was even more impressed as I noticed he can shoot, dribble and cross well.

Nani > Anderson

But I know the majority( the mancs , portugues fans, and others) think otherwise.

I swear you make things up Agooner

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No I'm not Cali

I remember u writing off France giving their ageing team and lack of good young players to replace them. I mentioned Toulalan, Benzema(who I told u was special), Nasri, Sagna etc and this was your response on each of thos players:

Toulalan - "has regressed, isnt even starting for Lyon these days"(then i later told u he wasn't starting games at the time cos of injury)

Benzema - "have never been impressed by him"

Sagna - "hasn't proven anything" - which was fair enough but i could see he was good enough to replace sagnol.

Yea, I remember writing off France, and still don't think they will do anything. Though, it was more to do with replacing Zidane IMO.

I honestly can't remember making those individual comments however, except Sanga. And, again that was at the start of this season. Can't see anything wrong with what I said.

I've seen so little of Benzema, and that comment suggests that I have been watching him for years. If I said, then I was talking utter BS.

Toulalan is even more odd. Because at the start of the season when Barca purchased Toure, I said they should have gone for Toulalan (an opinion which you criticised me for) Find numerous posts of me praising him. So again, if I said that it'd be interesting to hear a more precise context.

Care to link me?

Anderson and Nani is money well spent IMHO can only improve and get better.

Besides these two are better than alot of players in the EPL.

Calidad wrote:Yea, I remember writing off France, and still don't think they will do anything. Though, it was more to do with replacing Zidane IMO.

I honestly can't remember making those individual comments however, except Sanga. And, again that was at the start of this season. Can't see anything wrong with what I said.

I've seen so little of Benzema, and that comment suggests that I have been watching him for years. If I said, then I was talking utter BS.

Toulalan is even more odd. Because at the start of the season when Barca purchased Toure, I said they should have gone for Toulalan (an opinion which you criticised me for) Find numerous posts of me praising him. So again, if I said that it'd be interesting to hear a more precise context.

Care to link me?

I have done some search but nothing seems to come up

Anyway, forget It, it isn't really important.

L.r.d wrote:

Hlebtastic wrote:

Calidad wrote:I still think Nani is nothing special. He scored a cracker yesterday, but many are capable of that. He'll never be on the level in terms of ability to C. Ronaldo. He's just a technically competent player with a good shot, like I previously mentioned.

Anderson haven't seen enough off to be honest. Only seen him play live in Copa where I was far from impressed. Will reserve judgement until I see play live.

Saw you on MOTM, played some great stuff.

How many times do u get it wrong

Into 5 figures now.

But Anderson > Nani sorry about that.

No way, but we'll have to wait and see in 2-3 years time.

Calidad wrote:
I swear you make things up Agooner

Facts, stats, quotes, identities - you name it...

The whole Nani v. Anderson thing is an akward comparison. Yes, they're both attackers, but not playing the same position makes it difficult to say one is better than the other.

Is Anderson a better AM than Nani a winger?

Personally, I think Nani does his job very well, putting in defensive work as well, getting his sides goals and assits; not much more you can ask of the guy.

Compairing Nani with Quaresma, Robben, Joe Cole, Simao, Joaquin etc. is a fair comparison.

I guess some of you think Anderson is just more naturally talented than Nani... however Nani still has much to show. This was afterall his first season in a new league and he's almsot a starter after having lead the team in assits for quite some time.

Anderson had a few good games at the beginning and received a lot of hype (for ironically not doing any attacking for an attacking midifelder), nani didn't start off as well and was criticised. However nani got better over the season and anderson got worse. Both still got a lot to prove.

110% wrote:Anderson had a few good games at the beginning and received a lot of hype (for ironically not doing any attacking for an attacking midifelder), nani didn't start off as well and was criticised. However nani got better over the season and anderson got worse. Both still got a lot to prove.

Nani actually started the better...... he scored the winner v tottenham and some other things. Anderson then was great. He played less when Scholes came back. Nani played more as Giggs got worse. Both had very good seasons. And both look top class players in the making.

2007/08 - 20 years old

25(13) apps, 0 goals, 1 assists

2007/08 - 21 years old

26(15) apps, 4 goals, 6 assists

The assists stats are for the Premiership only

Both players have had really good seasons.

Anderson

• Most people thought it would take him half a season just to adjust to the Premiership.
  
• Has had to play in a formation/position (4-4-2/CM) that he has rarely or never played before at his previous clubs Porto, Grêmio or even Brazil.
  
• Made Gerrard his biatch.
  
• When Scholes was injured we did not miss him because of Anderson.
  
• Scored a penalty in the Champions League final.

Nani

• Has scored and created some key goals for us this season.
  
• We look more dangerous from corners when he is taking them.
  
• Raped Arsenal in the FA Cup.
  
• Scored a penalty in the Champions League final.

The reason i think most Man Utd fans will say Anderson > Nani is because they like him better as a person/character. The red card Nani got was not clever and he sometimes goes down like he has been shot.

Nani the new Figo

Anderson the new Scholes?

Both a very talented.. but I can only laugh when people start using the term "world class". They are subs in a team where when they come on the pitch they are surrended by stars. It would like me calling Bojan world class.

Aderson is, IMO, the better player, but time will tell whether he will ever fulfill his potential. I would take Capel over Nani and Moutinho over Anderson currently.

Nani the first Nani.

Quaresma the new Figo.

Not sure why everyone was so surprised Anderson could defend when he should this time n' time again at Porto.

borocooper wrote:Anderson the new Scholes?

Can do they same job but are different players.

Scholes hasn't got the pace and trickery of Anderson.

Anderson finishing, left foot, right foot, head, is very poor at the moment.

Luso wrote:Nani the first Nani.

Quaresma the new Figo.

Isn't Nani's style of play more similar to Figo campared to Quaresma who uses more skill/tricks/fantasy in his game?

Batman wrote:

Luso wrote:Nani the first Nani.

Quaresma the new Figo.

Isn't Nani's style of play more similar to Figo campared to Quaresma who uses more skill/tricks/fantasy in his game?

I wouldn't say so. Figo was very tricky in his prime; that's what made him so dangerous. His crosses were almost always perfect, and his shots were quality, but it was the trickery that got him his oportunities and made defences fear him.

Nani seems a more direct player than both Figo or Quaresma, never really slowing down his game. I can recall Figo holding the ball and spreading around play or speeding things up when he had to.

Quaresma to me is the most like Figo we've had since the real deal.

Luso wrote:

Batman wrote:

Luso wrote:Nani the first Nani.

Quaresma the new Figo.

Isn't Nani's style of play more similar to Figo campared to Quaresma who uses more skill/tricks/fantasy in his game?

I wouldn't say so. Figo was very tricky in his prime; that's what made him so dangerous. His crosses were almost always perfect, and his shots were quality, but it was the trickery that got him his oportunities and made defences fear him.

Nani seems a more direct player than both Figo or Quaresma, never really slowing down his game. I can recall Figo holding the ball and spreading around play or speeding things up when he had to.

Quaresma to me is the most like Figo we've had since the real deal.

I agree especially about Figos crosses which was seriously underrated. but he did try to trick his way past players very much like Quaresma.if we had to get a winger then i would prefer Quaresma.