Nani and Anderson are overated?

Luso wrote:

I See RedNWhite wrote:They are both great talents... but a tad overpriced. Nearly 33m for both of them combined is daylight robbery at best.

But if they end up even anywhere close to their last signing from Portugal, In one stroke they would have sorted out their midfield for next 7-8 years.

A big gamble which only a select few like United can afford

Daylight robbery?
Comments like this are pretty much the reason I started my last thread.

Who forced Utd to pay? No one. They paid that price willingly.
There's absolutely no thrace of rebbery in the deals. They were worth big money to their clubs, and so that's what they demanded.

I agree with you, if you're a not particularly rich club who has managed to secure a very good young player and a very rich club comes knocking, you have the right to name your price. If the buying club is willing to pay it, then the deal goes through. There's some negotiation, obviously.


And Lrd's right, I remember about three years back on the Man U board on the old 606, him banging on and on about Ronaldo and how he needed time but was sooner or later going to be one of the best in the world. Now, he wasn't the only one, he's obviously bull$h!tting about that, but he was one of very few.

And while Rossi's stats since the turn of the year are impressive, it's the quality of his goals that's the best indicator of just how good he can be. Of the 16 or 17 he's scored, maybe 5 have been relatively easy or sCr@ppy goals. The rest have been either excellent finishes or out and out blockbusters. Playing in two of the best leagues in Europe. If he was doing that in the Premiership, no one would be talking about Fabregas.

robert wrote:She didn't have pecs like red wiz so I am sure nothing happened...

I conducted myself as a gent should!!!

Nightwing wrote:

Rabbit wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Nah I was on the bus trying to find a seat when the bus jolted and I fell onto this oldish woman. My crotch area went right into her face.

That wouldn't stand up in court.

Well the train in t'Central Line jolted and a i was sitting-standing on one of those 'odd' seats that are on next to the carriage doors when a young lady (about 34DD id say) slammed into my face with her entire chest! It was a brutally-soft impact!
We pretended nothing happened!

I was once going to sit down, also on the central line and just as I was lowering my arse, the train jolted and I ended out sitting on this woman's lap

Tweedle wrote:

Nightwing wrote:

Rabbit wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Nah I was on the bus trying to find a seat when the bus jolted and I fell onto this oldish woman. My crotch area went right into her face.

That wouldn't stand up in court.

Well the train in t'Central Line jolted and a i was sitting-standing on one of those 'odd' seats that are on next to the carriage doors when a young lady (about 34DD id say) slammed into my face with her entire chest! It was a brutally-soft impact!
We pretended nothing happened!

I was once going to sit down, also on the central line and just as I was lowering my arse, the train jolted and I ended out sitting on this woman's lap

I hate that kind of situation - so embarrasing!!!

Nightwing wrote:

robert wrote:She didn't have pecs like red wiz so I am sure nothing happened...

I conducted myself as a gent should!!!

Confounded!

robert wrote:

Nightwing wrote:

robert wrote:She didn't have pecs like red wiz so I am sure nothing happened...

I conducted myself as a gent should!!!

Confounded!

Indeed!

Glenn Hysén wrote:

robert wrote:We will have to disagree on buying based on potential. I believe in buying what the current valuation is now. Buying on potential is like buying a house for what it will cost 4 years from now. It's a crazy, you wouldn't buy a house that way, likewise with these players.

At the time of Rooney's sale I was against buying him. He had come off a good Euro 2004 and everyone was way too up his ass at the time for my liking. He had more yellow cards than goals to his name at that stage! I wanted him for the same price Ronaldo went for.

I alluded to this point in a different thread yesterday. I think Fergie has been very shrewd in admitting to himself that he cannot manage superstars. The superstars he has been successful with were originally just prospects under him, so he's paid over inflated fees based on potential. You cannot say that Anderson now is as good as established players who went for similar fees. He, like Nani, is an excellent young prospect who (the gamble is) by the time he reaches his peak will be well worth the money spent and be loyal to Fergie for making him that player. Stam, Veron, RVN to name a few came too late to really owe it all to SAF.

My £1.25

I think you're absolutely right. Fergie's most accomplished squad was the 99-02 one and look at the frontline - Cole, a good, possibly very good, English goalscorer but a nobody outside of this country - Yorke, a Carribean playboy come good - Sheringham, who'd never before played for a team of that calibre and Solskjaer, a Scandinavian poacher. Hardly a world class, superstar strikeforce.

Veron basically failed, Van Nistelrooy scored a lot but in some respects set back the team years in terms of development, Stam was excellent for Man U, and excellent after he left, so in that respect they never got the best out of him.

Nightwing wrote:

Rabbit wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Nah I was on the bus trying to find a seat when the bus jolted and I fell onto this oldish woman. My crotch area went right into her face.

That wouldn't stand up in court.

Well the train in t'Central Line jolted and a i was sitting-standing on one of those 'odd' seats that are on next to the carriage doors when a young lady (about 34DD id say) slammed into my face with her entire chest! It was a brutally-soft impact!
We pretended nothing happened!

Did you come in your pants?

Nightwing wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

Nightwing wrote:

Rabbit wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Nah I was on the bus trying to find a seat when the bus jolted and I fell onto this oldish woman. My crotch area went right into her face.

That wouldn't stand up in court.

Well the train in t'Central Line jolted and a i was sitting-standing on one of those 'odd' seats that are on next to the carriage doors when a young lady (about 34DD id say) slammed into my face with her entire chest! It was a brutally-soft impact!
We pretended nothing happened!

I was once going to sit down, also on the central line and just as I was lowering my arse, the train jolted and I ended out sitting on this woman's lap

I hate that kind of situation - so embarrasing!!!

Because it's a womans' lap rather than a mans' ?

Rabbit wrote:

Nightwing wrote:

Rabbit wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Nah I was on the bus trying to find a seat when the bus jolted and I fell onto this oldish woman. My crotch area went right into her face.

That wouldn't stand up in court.

Well the train in t'Central Line jolted and a i was sitting-standing on one of those 'odd' seats that are on next to the carriage doors when a young lady (about 34DD id say) slammed into my face with her entire chest! It was a brutally-soft impact!
We pretended nothing happened!

Did you come in your pants?

Nope. Just arrived at Liverpool St station tis all.

Sir Les Jurgen of Ginola wrote:

Nightwing wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

Nightwing wrote:

Rabbit wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Nah I was on the bus trying to find a seat when the bus jolted and I fell onto this oldish woman. My crotch area went right into her face.

That wouldn't stand up in court.

Well the train in t'Central Line jolted and a i was sitting-standing on one of those 'odd' seats that are on next to the carriage doors when a young lady (about 34DD id say) slammed into my face with her entire chest! It was a brutally-soft impact!
We pretended nothing happened!

I was once going to sit down, also on the central line and just as I was lowering my arse, the train jolted and I ended out sitting on this woman's lap

I hate that kind of situation - so embarrasing!!!

Because it's a womans' lap rather than a mans' ?

Funny....not!!!

Nani is IMO the real deal, pace, trickery, end product (well..) but Anderson i'm not sure about.

In fact i didn't even know why they signed him..

So no one else gets him

I suppose so, although Porto haved laughed themselves to the bank after taking 18 million quid..

Cripps wrote:So no one else gets him

agreed, man utd (i think) didnt want them for at least 1-2 more seasons but were forced to at the belief someone else would get them

Coca Kolo wrote:I suppose so, although Porto haved laughed themselves to the bank after taking 18 million quid..

and again for 20 million quid

Mexicanbecks wrote:

Coca Kolo wrote:I suppose so, although Porto haved laughed themselves to the bank after taking 18 million quid..

and again for 20 million quid

Anderson will be special.

Pepe for £20m was extaordinary, but Chelsea still got ripped off the worst... £13m for Paolo Ferreira !

Sir Les Jurgen of Ginola wrote:

Mexicanbecks wrote:

Coca Kolo wrote:I suppose so, although Porto haved laughed themselves to the bank after taking 18 million quid..

and again for 20 million quid

Anderson will be special.

Pepe for £20m was extaordinary, but Chelsea still got ripped off the worst... £13m for Paolo Ferreira !

agreed

Well Anderson played well in his last game , should not expect much wont start many games or even come on as a sub , hes one for the future but we live in a climate where 'everyone wants instant success'.

Raifael wrote:Well Anderson played well in his last game , should not expect much wont start many games or even come on as a sub , hes one for the future but we live in a climate where 'everyone wants instant success'.

Say Giggs and Scholes retire tomorrow.

how do you fit in Nani, Anderson, Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney?

-------------GK--------------

--RB----CB-----CB-----LB-

---Hargreaves--Carrick----

-Ronaldo--------------Nani-

---Tevez-----------Rooney-


You put Anderson on the bench? or relegate Carrick on the bench for Anderson and really go for it?

Coca Kolo wrote:I suppose so, although Porto haved laughed themselves to the bank after taking 18 million quid..

Anderson is quality he will be in the top section of players. Nani maybe the next one. Porto will be laughing at some of the deals they got, but not this one

Coca Kolo wrote:

Raifael wrote:Well Anderson played well in his last game , should not expect much wont start many games or even come on as a sub , hes one for the future but we live in a climate where 'everyone wants instant success'.

Say Giggs and Scholes retire tomorrow.

how do you fit in Nani, Anderson, Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney?

-------------GK--------------

--RB----CB-----CB-----LB-

---Hargreaves--Carrick----

-Ronaldo--------------Nani-

---Tevez-----------Rooney-


You put Anderson on the bench? or relegate Carrick on the bench for Anderson and really go for it?

Anderson starts ahead of Carrick or hargreaves or even nani. Either way he starts, he starts ahead of any of those 3. Then they can fight out the last two spots

Tweedle wrote:

Nightwing wrote:

Rabbit wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Nah I was on the bus trying to find a seat when the bus jolted and I fell onto this oldish woman. My crotch area went right into her face.

That wouldn't stand up in court.

Well the train in t'Central Line jolted and a i was sitting-standing on one of those 'odd' seats that are on next to the carriage doors when a young lady (about 34DD id say) slammed into my face with her entire chest! It was a brutally-soft impact!
We pretended nothing happened!

I was once going to sit down, also on the central line and just as I was lowering my arse, the train jolted and I ended out sitting on this woman's lap

L r d wrote:

Coca Kolo wrote:

Raifael wrote:Well Anderson played well in his last game , should not expect much wont start many games or even come on as a sub , hes one for the future but we live in a climate where 'everyone wants instant success'.

Say Giggs and Scholes retire tomorrow.

how do you fit in Nani, Anderson, Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney?

-------------GK--------------

--RB----CB-----CB-----LB-

---Hargreaves--Carrick----

-Ronaldo--------------Nani-

---Tevez-----------Rooney-


You put Anderson on the bench? or relegate Carrick on the bench for Anderson and really go for it?

Anderson starts ahead of Carrick or hargreaves or even nani. Either way he starts, he starts ahead of any of those 3. Then they can fight out the last two spots

Bit risky for Anderson to start ahead of Carrick don't you think?

It could be tactical suicide to have Nani, Anderson, Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez in the same team with just the one holding/defensive player.

Anderson's rightful place is the bench.

Coca Kolo wrote:

L r d wrote:

Coca Kolo wrote:

Raifael wrote:Well Anderson played well in his last game , should not expect much wont start many games or even come on as a sub , hes one for the future but we live in a climate where 'everyone wants instant success'.

Say Giggs and Scholes retire tomorrow.

how do you fit in Nani, Anderson, Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney?

-------------GK--------------

--RB----CB-----CB-----LB-

---Hargreaves--Carrick----

-Ronaldo--------------Nani-

---Tevez-----------Rooney-


You put Anderson on the bench? or relegate Carrick on the bench for Anderson and really go for it?

Anderson starts ahead of Carrick or hargreaves or even nani. Either way he starts, he starts ahead of any of those 3. Then they can fight out the last two spots

Bit risky for Anderson to start ahead of Carrick don't you think? No

It could be tactical suicide to have Nani, Anderson, Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez in the same team with just the one holding/defensive player.

Anderson's rightful place is the bench.

In the last game the team was anderson giggs scholes rooney ronaldo tevez. this is even more attacking. It's not sucide these players can keep the ball and the defence is pretty good also! we can afford luxury's

L r d wrote:

Coca Kolo wrote:

L r d wrote:

Coca Kolo wrote:

Raifael wrote:Well Anderson played well in his last game , should not expect much wont start many games or even come on as a sub , hes one for the future but we live in a climate where 'everyone wants instant success'.

Say Giggs and Scholes retire tomorrow.

how do you fit in Nani, Anderson, Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney?

-------------GK--------------

--RB----CB-----CB-----LB-

---Hargreaves--Carrick----

-Ronaldo--------------Nani-

---Tevez-----------Rooney-


You put Anderson on the bench? or relegate Carrick on the bench for Anderson and really go for it?

Anderson starts ahead of Carrick or hargreaves or even nani. Either way he starts, he starts ahead of any of those 3. Then they can fight out the last two spots

Bit risky for Anderson to start ahead of Carrick don't you think? No

It could be tactical suicide to have Nani, Anderson, Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez in the same team with just the one holding/defensive player.

Anderson's rightful place is the bench.

In the last game the team was anderson giggs scholes rooney ronaldo tevez. this is even more attacking. It's not sucide these players can keep the ball and the defence is pretty good also! we can afford luxury's

Your last game was Wigan at home i believe?

It can work agaisnt opposition of that ilk, not sure when it comes round to Europe or Arsenal.. in the Premier League.

Man U cheated Porto and Sporting, they should have paid 30m each for Anderson and Nani.

Now people need to apologies for saying they are overated, just because they don't watch Superliga.

40m pounds for Quaresma?

Anderson just needed time. Coming back from a injury is not easy and getting used to his new team , but his last 3 games he has proved to be a talented player.

Nani & Anderson have suprised me with their work rate, and their willingless to track back. Certainly better than C.Ronaldo was in his 1st two seasons in that area .

Well Anderson's practically playing DM at the moment!