Nani and Anderson are overated?

rza wrote:I don’t know if it’s because people in England don’t watch Superliga, but I get very irritated when they always say Nani and Anderson are not worth 30m pounds.

The Nani I know was the guy who dragged Sporting to third in the league last season (losing the title on the last day). He was tipped as the next big thing since Ronaldo. According to me he was the second best player in the Superliga last season behind Lucho. How is that overated when Carrick cost the same for doing sh!t for Spurs, or Rooney cost over 20m pounds for just scoring against Arsenal in his debut?

Anderson was the best player in the Porto team until he got injured. Infact he was tipped to be bigger than Ronaldinho in no time. But then I guess nobody watched him in England until he played for Man U.

If u ask me, Man U got them for a bargain and they should thank Quieroz for influencing the deal towards them. 30m pounds for potential Ballon D’Or winners is a slap in the face of Sporting and Porto.

The prices paid were about right. Nani is a decent enough player, i don't see him ever winning wpoty or such awards though. And he doesnt seem like captain material to me either. Ronaldo is only two years older than him, so i imagine he will be captain of Portugal.

Anderson is different, i think he can reach the level of Ronaldo and Kaka without a doubt. They are called overated by the idiots who expect an instant impact from players just because they cost a lot of money.
As for Rooney, he was well worth what was paid for him and maybe if some english people don't watch the superliga it seems you dont watch much of the premiership

@ kimbo...huh? nzogbia was wanted by Fulham and Fulham only this summer when he could have left. Anderson and Nani are on a whole different level to this nobody.

L r d wrote:
@ kimbo...huh? nzogbia was wanted by Fulham and Fulham only this summer when he could have left. Anderson and Nani are on a whole different level to this nobody.

Allegedly. Sam made it clear he didn't want to sell. The southern press is extremely unreliable on these things, i know i never expected it to happen. And i know you're a "evryting top 4 iz da bst" poster so i'm not going to bother with that last sentence. This thread isn't about Newcastle though so i don't know why you Manx are bringing our players into it. Stay on topic instead of WUMing lerd.

You were the one that went off topic.

Parks lives wrote:You were the one that went off topic.

Not at all, i gave my opinion and you brought up Milner.

I'm not going to form an opinion based on hype and a transfer fee like lerd, i'll judge them on what i see and so far they haven't been impressive. But like i said it's very early days.

You brought up a supposed 'Premiership under 21's'.

Kimbo wrote:

L r d wrote:
@ kimbo...huh? nzogbia was wanted by Fulham and Fulham only this summer when he could have left. Anderson and Nani are on a whole different level to this nobody.

Allegedly. Sam made it clear he didn't want to sell. The southern press is extremely unreliable on these things, i know i never expected it to happen. And i know you're a "evryting top 4 iz da bst" poster so i'm not going to bother with that last sentence. This thread isn't about Newcastle though so i don't know why you Manx are bringing our players into it. Stay on topic instead of WUMing lerd.

I think its because you said Nani and Anderson wouldnt get into your U21 prem team, but the Zog would.

I would say Charles would get into my U21 prem team, but then so would Anderson.

Parks lives wrote:You brought up a supposed 'Premiership under 21's'.

So? That's not off topic, i was merely saying that i don't rate him that highly yet.

Rez, that really doesn't surprise me. Fabregas and Mikel would be the midfielders, Anderson would be nowhere.

Kimbo wrote:

Parks lives wrote:You brought up a supposed 'Premiership under 21's'.

So? That's not off topic, i was merely saying that i don't rate him that highly yet.

Well if you bring up this supposed XI, its hardly off topic to ask who would get in there is it?

Parks lives wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Parks lives wrote:You brought up a supposed 'Premiership under 21's'.

So? That's not off topic, i was merely saying that i don't rate him that highly yet.

Well if you bring up this supposed XI, its hardly off topic to ask who would get in there is it?

Why choose Milner then spank? Eh?

Kimbo wrote:

Parks lives wrote:You were the one that went off topic.

Not at all, i gave my opinion and you brought up Milner.

I'm not going to form an opinion based on hype and a transfer fee like lerd, i'll judge them on what i see and so far they haven't been impressive. But like i said it's very early days.

Which game did you see Anderson play? Because in the Wigan game he outshone the likes of Scholes, Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez.

Nani has been fairly good; he has had a few impressive moments, but also had some woeful moments.

Because I'd guess that you'd have him in front of Nani as the winger.

@ lrd. I saw Rooney from first his game against Arsenal and i don't think he had done more than Nani before he went to Man U, besides that Euro 2004 game against France. So in actual fact he benefitted from English media hype, since everybody was saying they could have won Euro 2004 had he been there.

Nani on the other hand was playing in the Champs League as the first name in the team sheet for one of Portugal's big three.

Kimbo wrote:

Parks lives wrote:You were the one that went off topic.

Not at all, i gave my opinion and you brought up Milner.

I'm not going to form an opinion based on hype and a transfer fee like lerd, i'll judge them on what i see and so far they haven't been impressive. But like i said it's very early days.

No i judge them on a number of things. Calling things hype to try and discredit what they have done is a bit lame. Anderson was picked for Brazil, he has done well in the cl, he was and looked very good for Porto. In his last match for man utd he showed exactly how good he was. It's not one good game, it was the quality he showed. You brought up this outrageous claim they wouldn't get into a prem u21 team. Both of course would. Nani plays where nzogbia does so i brought him up.

Rez wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Parks lives wrote:You were the one that went off topic.

Not at all, i gave my opinion and you brought up Milner.

I'm not going to form an opinion based on hype and a transfer fee like lerd, i'll judge them on what i see and so far they haven't been impressive. But like i said it's very early days.

Which game did you see Anderson play? Because in the Wigan game he outshone the likes of Scholes, Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez.



Nani has been fairly good; he has had a few impressive moments, but also had some woeful moments.

Only Sunderland, I didn't see the Wigan game, and to be fair Anderson hasn't played much so neither opinion can hold much weight. I saw Nani in the CL when people were saying he had a good game, but personally i thought he was wasteful and kept running up cul de sacs. Like i keep saying it's very early days, too early to be calling them future world class like lerd, who has probably seen about as much of them as me.

Kimbo wrote:
Rez, that really doesn't surprise me. Fabregas and Mikel would be the midfielders, Anderson would be nowhere.

Anderson would play infront of Mikel and Fabregas and just behind Rooney. He would be the number 10, the player that makes things happen.

L r d wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Parks lives wrote:You were the one that went off topic.

Not at all, i gave my opinion and you brought up Milner.

I'm not going to form an opinion based on hype and a transfer fee like lerd, i'll judge them on what i see and so far they haven't been impressive. But like i said it's very early days.

No i judge them on a number of things. Calling things hype to try and discredit what they have done is a bit lame. Anderson was picked for Brazil, he has done well in the cl, he was and looked very good for Porto. In his last match for man utd he showed exactly how good he was. It's not one good game, it was the quality he showed. You brought up this outrageous claim they wouldn't get into a prem u21 team. Both of course would. Nani plays where nzogbia does so i brought him up.

Well it is hype to most of us. We get no coverage of Portuguese football over here, and they've both only played a handful of CL games, so even IF you did watch ALL of those games, which you won't have done, it wouldn't be enough to form such a sure opinion.

Kimbo wrote:

Rez wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Parks lives wrote:You were the one that went off topic.

Not at all, i gave my opinion and you brought up Milner.

I'm not going to form an opinion based on hype and a transfer fee like lerd, i'll judge them on what i see and so far they haven't been impressive. But like i said it's very early days.

Which game did you see Anderson play? Because in the Wigan game he outshone the likes of Scholes, Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez.



Nani has been fairly good; he has had a few impressive moments, but also had some woeful moments.

Only Sunderland, I didn't see the Wigan game, and to be fair Anderson hasn't played much so neither opinion can hold much weight. I saw Nani in the CL when people were saying he had a good game, but personally i thought he was wasteful and kept running up cul de sacs. Like i keep saying it's very early days, too early to be calling them future world class like lerd, who has probably seen about as much of them as me.

Fair enough in the Sunderland game he didnt do anything and if that was the only time I had seen him play I wouldnt rate him either. In the Wigan game he was class and he showed what the pre season hype was about.

It is early to be calling players future world class as you never know how players will develop in the next 3-5 years. But after watching a player for 30 minutes you can sometimes tell if they are going to be special or rubbish.

When I first watched Ronaldo (play against Bolton on his debut), Rossi (play for 20 minutes in the united reserves) and Messi (play 30 minutes in the U20 WC in Holland) I said to my friends at the time that they will be world superstars.

When I first saw Anderson play for Porto for the first time, I had the same visceral inclination and I said to my mates that he would become World Class. From that game onwards I followed his career very closely. I am not saying he will become world class because he plays for united and had one good game against Wigan, but because I genuinely believe he will be.

As for Nani I havent lauded him the way I do Anderson, because he hasnt done anything yet to lead me to claim he will be World Class.

Rez wrote:
When I first watched Ronaldo (play against Bolton on his debut), Rossi (play for 20 minutes in the united reserves) and Messi (play 30 minutes in the U20 WC in Holland) I said to my friends at the time that they will be world superstars.

Well i suppose 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

Kimbo wrote:

Rez wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Parks lives wrote:You were the one that went off topic.

Not at all, i gave my opinion and you brought up Milner.

I'm not going to form an opinion based on hype and a transfer fee like lerd, i'll judge them on what i see and so far they haven't been impressive. But like i said it's very early days.

Which game did you see Anderson play? Because in the Wigan game he outshone the likes of Scholes, Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez.



Nani has been fairly good; he has had a few impressive moments, but also had some woeful moments.

Only Sunderland, I didn't see the Wigan game, and to be fair Anderson hasn't played much so neither opinion can hold much weight. I saw Nani in the CL when people were saying he had a good game, but personally i thought he was wasteful and kept running up cul de sacs. Like i keep saying it's very early days, too early to be calling them future world class like lerd, who has probably seen about as much of them as me.

You are a douche. Stop saying like lerd ffs. How can you seen as much of them as me? I watch every man utd game, and saw the pre season games, yet you seen 1 game v sunderland and a cl game. If you think someone is going to be world class you can say that it's never to early if you can see the ability. While people including yourself wrote Ronaldo off as a one trick pony, i told everybody he would be the worlds best, and so he is

L r d wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Rez wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Parks lives wrote:You were the one that went off topic.

Not at all, i gave my opinion and you brought up Milner.

I'm not going to form an opinion based on hype and a transfer fee like lerd, i'll judge them on what i see and so far they haven't been impressive. But like i said it's very early days.

Which game did you see Anderson play? Because in the Wigan game he outshone the likes of Scholes, Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez.



Nani has been fairly good; he has had a few impressive moments, but also had some woeful moments.

Only Sunderland, I didn't see the Wigan game, and to be fair Anderson hasn't played much so neither opinion can hold much weight. I saw Nani in the CL when people were saying he had a good game, but personally i thought he was wasteful and kept running up cul de sacs. Like i keep saying it's very early days, too early to be calling them future world class like lerd, who has probably seen about as much of them as me.

You are a douche. Stop saying like lerd ffs. How can you seen as much of them as me? I watch every man utd game, and saw the pre season games, yet you seen 1 game v sunderland and a cl game. If you think someone is going to be world class you can say that it's never to early if you can see the ability. While people including yourself wrote Ronaldo off as a one trick pony, i told everybody he would be the worlds best, and so he is

They've barely played for you ffs. I don't think i ever wrote Ronaldo off either. Whether you said he would be world class because of his ability or because he's Man Utd play is debateable aswell.

You've seen him a hanful of times and he's future world class, i've seen him a coulpe of times and i say i'm not impressed yet but it's early days. Who's being more reasonable? Hmm.

And don't call me a douche, you're not Kelly Osbourne!

L r d wrote:While people including yourself wrote Ronaldo off as a one trick pony, i told everybody he would be the worlds best, and so he is

only in yours and n18 world many people would consider kaka better

He's a 5 trick pony

Kimbo wrote:

Rez wrote:
When I first watched Ronaldo (play against Bolton on his debut), Rossi (play for 20 minutes in the united reserves) and Messi (play 30 minutes in the U20 WC in Holland) I said to my friends at the time that they will be world superstars.

Well i suppose 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

I know Messi hasnt played a full season yet, but he is still a superstar

Tweedle wrote:He's a 5 trick pony

see the funny debates that we've missed when kimbo left?

Kimbo wrote:

L r d wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Rez wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Parks lives wrote:You were the one that went off topic.

Not at all, i gave my opinion and you brought up Milner.

I'm not going to form an opinion based on hype and a transfer fee like lerd, i'll judge them on what i see and so far they haven't been impressive. But like i said it's very early days.

Which game did you see Anderson play? Because in the Wigan game he outshone the likes of Scholes, Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez.



Nani has been fairly good; he has had a few impressive moments, but also had some woeful moments.

Only Sunderland, I didn't see the Wigan game, and to be fair Anderson hasn't played much so neither opinion can hold much weight. I saw Nani in the CL when people were saying he had a good game, but personally i thought he was wasteful and kept running up cul de sacs. Like i keep saying it's very early days, too early to be calling them future world class like lerd, who has probably seen about as much of them as me.

You are a douche. Stop saying like lerd ffs. How can you seen as much of them as me? I watch every man utd game, and saw the pre season games, yet you seen 1 game v sunderland and a cl game. If you think someone is going to be world class you can say that it's never to early if you can see the ability. While people including yourself wrote Ronaldo off as a one trick pony, i told everybody he would be the worlds best, and so he is

They've barely played for you ffs. I don't think i ever wrote Ronaldo off either. Whether you said he would be world class because of his ability or because he's Man Utd play is debateable aswell.

You've seen him a hanful of times and he's future world class, i've seen him a coulpe of times and i say i'm not impressed yet but it's early days. Who's being more reasonable? Hmm.

And don't call me a douche, you're not Kelly Osbourne!

Yep you called him mr no end product, mr overated, one trick pony etc etc. I can spot a player got nothing to do with the team. You have trouble with that as proven with Rossi Ronaldo was hated by the majority of man utd fans at one point. But one man stood up against all the critism, one man led the army of oppisition to this garbage talk
Douche

Rossi? Rossi Rossi Rossi....................................... OH YEAH, that guy with no physical presence that i correctly predicted had no future with you that soon got flogged to Villarreal. I remember, i remember now lerd.

Best player in Spain.

Parks lives wrote:Best player in Spain.

Kimbo wrote:Rossi? Rossi Rossi Rossi....................................... OH YEAH, that guy with no physical presence that i correctly predicted had no future with you that soon got flogged to Villarreal. I remember, i remember now lerd.

The guy you called overated andCr@p went on to score 17 goals in the next 7 months, and 3 of those were spent relaxing on holiday plus what hes 20 On the flipside, Taylor the rising underated non top 4 amazing defender, is making Bramble look like rio and has been dropped