Nani and Anderson are overated?

L r d wrote:

Kimbo wrote:Rossi? Rossi Rossi Rossi....................................... OH YEAH, that guy with no physical presence that i correctly predicted had no future with you that soon got flogged to Villarreal. I remember, i remember now lerd.

The guy you called overated andCr@p went on to score 17 goals in the next 7 months, and 3 of those were spent relaxing on holiday plus what hes 20 On the flipside, Taylor the rising underated non top 4 amazing defender, is making Bramble look like rio and has been dropped

Yep, sounding more and more familiar. Taylor hasn't been dropped lerd, he's played 7 out of 8 games. And Bramble has been$h!te for Wigan bar a couple of games, the same as he was for us.

Kimbo wrote:Rossi? Rossi Rossi Rossi....................................... OH YEAH, that guy with no physical presence that i correctly predicted had no future with you that soon got flogged to Villarreal. I remember, i remember now lerd.

How can you forget about a player that has scored on his debut for every club (that plays football) that he played for. A player who has scored 14 league goals in 2007 for two different clubs, in two different leagues. A player - in his first season at a new club in a new country - who has scored only 1 (league) goal less than Messi (who is the most inform player in the world and plays for the best team in the world).

taylor was superb for the U21s the other night. sam obviously doesn't like him for some reason but he's better than most young english defenders

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:taylor was superb for the U21s the other night. sam obviously doesn't like him for some reason but he's better than most young english defenders

He doesn't like him because hes dodgy and makes mistake after mistake. Just watch any of the last few games hes started for newcastle. In particular the city game

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Best player in Spain.

L r d wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:taylor was superb for the U21s the other night. sam obviously doesn't like him for some reason but he's better than most young english defenders

He doesn't like him because hes dodgy and makes mistake after mistake. Just watch any of the last few games hes started for newcastle. In particular the city game

He lacks consistency but aside from that, he does everything else astutely. As Kimbo has identified, he hasn't been dropped. He's played a few games at right back though

L r d wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:taylor was superb for the U21s the other night. sam obviously doesn't like him for some reason but he's better than most young english defenders

He doesn't like him because hes dodgy and makes mistake after mistake. Just watch any of the last few games hes started for newcastle. In particular the city game

How do you explain him playing 7 out of 8 games lerd?

lack of confidence even your beloved rio suffers from this. even worse when tayls is worried if he makes one mistake it'll see him out of the side, thats too much pressure, what excuse has rio had, he's needed a long run of poor performances to be dropped.

Tweedle wrote:

L r d wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:taylor was superb for the U21s the other night. sam obviously doesn't like him for some reason but he's better than most young english defenders

He doesn't like him because hes dodgy and makes mistake after mistake. Just watch any of the last few games hes started for newcastle. In particular the city game

He lacks consistency but aside from that, he does everything else astutely. As Kimbo has identified, he hasn't been dropped. He's played a few games at right back though

If he does get dropped it's because there's more experianced players at the club now like Cacapa, Rozzy, and Faye. It's no big deal and not a reflection on his talent.

Great avatar, I nearly did something similar last night.

Parks lives wrote:Great avatar, I nearly did something similar last night.

You mean you tried to do something similar but missed.

Parks lives wrote:Great avatar, I nearly did something similar last night.

What? Got that avatar or fell into a girls arse-crack?

Nah I was on the bus trying to find a seat when the bus jolted and I fell onto this oldish woman. My crotch area went right into her face.

Tweedle wrote:

L r d wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:taylor was superb for the U21s the other night. sam obviously doesn't like him for some reason but he's better than most young english defenders

He doesn't like him because hes dodgy and makes mistake after mistake. Just watch any of the last few games hes started for newcastle. In particular the city game

He lacks consistency but aside from that, he does everything else astutely. As Kimbo has identified, he hasn't been dropped. He's played a few games at right back though

He was dropped to the bench not right back. He's got that Bramble touch about him. Whats astute about making constantf@ckups?

As for Rossi, he has been damn well awesome, and his last goal was goal of the month stuff

Parks lives wrote:Nah I was on the bus trying to find a seat when the bus jolted and I fell onto this oldish woman. My crotch area went right into her face.

accident, or well planned and executed move to land a cougar?

L r d wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

L r d wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:taylor was superb for the U21s the other night. sam obviously doesn't like him for some reason but he's better than most young english defenders

He doesn't like him because hes dodgy and makes mistake after mistake. Just watch any of the last few games hes started for newcastle. In particular the city game

He lacks consistency but aside from that, he does everything else astutely. As Kimbo has identified, he hasn't been dropped. He's played a few games at right back though

He was dropped to the bench not right back. He's got that Bramble touch about him. Whats astute about making constantf@ckups?

As for Rossi, he has been damn well awesome, and his last goal was goal of the month stuff

As good as N'Zogbias goal of the month? If we're going to show off about our prospects playing well i might aswell bring him up, he's dicking your boys.

Taylor was dropped just like Cacapa and Rozzy have been, Sam is trying out different combinations to try and find the best partnership, we have 4 potential 1st teamers in that position.

I See RedNWhite wrote:They are both great talents... but a tad overpriced. Nearly 33m for both of them combined is daylight robbery at best.

But if they end up even anywhere close to their last signing from Portugal, In one stroke they would have sorted out their midfield for next 7-8 years.

A big gamble which only a select few like United can afford

Daylight robbery?
Comments like this are pretty much the reason I started my last thread.

Who forced Utd to pay? No one. They paid that price willingly.
There's absolutely no thrace of rebbery in the deals. They were worth big money to their clubs, and so that's what they demanded.

Parks lives wrote:Nah I was on the bus trying to find a seat when the bus jolted and I fell onto this oldish woman. My crotch area went right into her face.

You are one dodgy mofo

It wasn't on purpose.

She enjoyed it anyway.

Luso wrote:

I See RedNWhite wrote:They are both great talents... but a tad overpriced. Nearly 33m for both of them combined is daylight robbery at best.

But if they end up even anywhere close to their last signing from Portugal, In one stroke they would have sorted out their midfield for next 7-8 years.

A big gamble which only a select few like United can afford

Daylight robbery?
Comments like this are pretty much the reason I started my last thread.

Who forced Utd to pay? No one. They paid that price willingly.
There's absolutely no thrace of rebbery in the deals. They were worth big money to their clubs, and so that's what they demanded.

It's an expression meaning the deals were too large, not extortion. I mean they are currently not worth the prices paid for them, that being said i'm happy to have paid those prices to secure those players. I'm fairly confident they will become an intergral part of our team for years.

@rza

Nani didn't drag Sporting to third...as we didn't finish third but 2nd lossing out on the league by one point...in the last 45mns of the season.

Nani was also benched for a while at the beginning of the season after he lost sight of the club's goals.

Moutinho, Tello, Veloso, Polga; all these players were more important to Sporting last season than Nani. I'm not saying he wasn't an imporant figure at the club, he had his moments, but he was far from being the squad's MVP as you're implying.

For the price he was sold for, 25.5M Euros, I'd say it was a good deal. Sure, we probably could've gotten 30M Euros had he signed his new deal, but he wasn't actually worth 30M.

I'd say overall, the Nani deal was a just one. He's underrated in England, as you've mentioned he does have some good experience, much more than he's credited for, but he wasn't even Sporting's most influential player...so I can't be upset with the deal. Had Moutinho or Veloso left, I'd be upset... especially Veloso as he really will be worth 30M Euros or more.

[quote="robert"]

Luso wrote:
It's an expression meaning the deals were too large, not extortion. I mean they are currently not worth the prices paid for them, that being said i'm happy to have paid those prices to secure those players. I'm fairly confident they will become an intergral part of our team for years.

I know what it means...and don't agree.
The sums paid weren't too large, that's their current worth based on potential future value. You can't expect to buy them for peanuts while expecting them to come good and be worth big money in the near future.

Rooney was a similar deal. His price was based on potential as well and yet he cost more.

We will have to disagree on buying based on potential. I believe in buying what the current valuation is now. Buying on potential is like buying a house for what it will cost 4 years from now. It's a crazy, you wouldn't buy a house that way, likewise with these players.

At the time of Rooney's sale I was against buying him. He had come off a good Euro 2004 and everyone was way too up his ass at the time for my liking. He had more yellow cards than goals to his name at that stage! I wanted him for the same price Ronaldo went for.

Ok, I can agree to disagree...that's fine.
However, would you sell an antique for one price, knowing fully well that the buyer is simply going to restore it, then turn around and sell it for double what you've just sold it for? Doesn't make much sense... but since you can't hold on to it anymore, maintenance costs etc., you push for a price closer to it's final value.

Personally, I don't think Saha is worth much as the man is pretty much always on the sideline...however Sporting couldn't even begin to put together a bid for him as we'd never even come close to the figure Utd would demand for him.

I guess the potential value can be equated to the 'buying Enlgish' claim... you just have to except that you're paying for more than the player is actually worth in football terms at the moment...but at least with potential you have the hope of the deal working out. If you pay more for an English player just because he's English, you haven't gained anything... club atmosphere perhaps?

robert wrote:We will have to disagree on buying based on potential. I believe in buying what the current valuation is now. Buying on potential is like buying a house for what it will cost 4 years from now. It's a crazy, you wouldn't buy a house that way, likewise with these players.

At the time of Rooney's sale I was against buying him. He had come off a good Euro 2004 and everyone was way too up his ass at the time for my liking. He had more yellow cards than goals to his name at that stage! I wanted him for the same price Ronaldo went for.

I alluded to this point in a different thread yesterday. I think Fergie has been very shrewd in admitting to himself that he cannot manage superstars. The superstars he has been successful with were originally just prospects under him, so he's paid over inflated fees based on potential. You cannot say that Anderson now is as good as established players who went for similar fees. He, like Nani, is an excellent young prospect who (the gamble is) by the time he reaches his peak will be well worth the money spent and be loyal to Fergie for making him that player. Stam, Veron, RVN to name a few came too late to really owe it all to SAF.

My £1.25

You can't say any of those were mismanagement of superstars are far as handling egos is concerned or SAF is incapable of handling superstars he hasn't raised himself. Stam said things and did things and the fact that he failed a drug test some 6 months after we sold him vindicates SAF.

Veron was a mismanagement tactically and thus this made him pretty useless to us bar in the champions league.

RVN had spats with players, thought he was pretty much owed a starting berth despite the fact that Saha earnt his place in that team for the final and his RVN's inclusion worsened our gameplay.

Though that being said, his management style is probably not what superstars want which is to be mollycoddled into doing things, I wonder how Ronaldinho would have worked under him.

Parks lives wrote:Nah I was on the bus trying to find a seat when the bus jolted and I fell onto this oldish woman. My crotch area went right into her face.

That wouldn't stand up in court.

The inability for most of the United fans on this board to hear a word against Fergie or flirt with the possibility that he may have flaws, never ceases to amaze me.

Rabbit wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Nah I was on the bus trying to find a seat when the bus jolted and I fell onto this oldish woman. My crotch area went right into her face.

That wouldn't stand up in court.

Well the train in t'Central Line jolted and a i was sitting-standing on one of those 'odd' seats that are on next to the carriage doors when a young lady (about 34DD id say) slammed into my face with her entire chest! It was a brutally-soft impact!
We pretended nothing happened!

She didn't have pecs like red wiz so I am sure nothing happened...