Ronaldo sucks

he might win awards, but he's mainly decent against poor opposition. The moment it really matters he chokes. Not even manages to score of half as much goals as choker Henry did in big matches.

Did I just invent this or did Ronaldo score a goal against Chelsea in the biggest club game of last season?

President Darkie wrote:Did I just invent this or did Ronaldo score a goal against Chelsea in the biggest club game of last season?

Plus in that list, three players are strikers and one is a winger.

Exception which confirms the the rule. Mainly shoots blanks in big EPL matches.

What about Darren Fletcher?

Batman wrote:Plus in that list, three players are strikers and one is a winger.

und? it's about percentages not number of goals.

Drogba is the best of those - he can perform away from home v big 4 eg the 4-1 at Liverpool and the 2-0 v Arsenal at Highbury.

He was the best player on the pitch in both but didn't score + he has scored in Cup finals v Man U, Liverpool and arsenal on neutral ground.

Does it say how many of henry's came away from Highbury ?

Its about performing against the big 4 on any occasion.

Ridiculous that they've only included league goals. Drogba's scored against United in the FA Cup, Pool in the CL and Carling Cup and Arsenal in the Carling Cup?

Carling Cup

he playing for Chelski not for Spuds.

Didn't Walcott's hype hit new heights after a Carling Cup final?

De Guzman wrote:Carling Cup

he playing for Chelski not for Spuds.

Look, if you're going to reference goals against certain teams... you have to include all competitive games, not just selective games.... it simply doesn't paint an accurate picture.

Its hardly rocket science.

S4P wrote:Didn't Walcott's hype hit new heights after a Carling Cup final?

Not here. do agree he was/is overhyped.

Football Genius wrote:

De Guzman wrote:Carling Cup

he playing for Chelski not for Spuds.

Look, if you're going to reference goals against certain teams... you have to include all competitive games, not just selective games.... it simply doesn't paint an accurate picture.

Its hardly rocket science.

Don't think so. Anyway all League games is a big enough sample. If you want to add other competitions feel free to come up with aggregate stats.

De Guzman wrote:Exception which confirms the the rule. Mainly shoots blanks in big EPL matches.

Did he not also set up the winner against Chelsea for Darren Fletcher to nod in? And another assist against Chelsea this weekend, along with a goal ruled out for an illegal corner.


However, if it's selective statistics you're after, try comparing Ronaldo's goalscoring record in cup finals to that of Thierry.

President Darkie wrote:Did I just invent this or did Ronaldo score a goal against Chelsea in the biggest club game of last season?

Chelsea were not in the World Club Cup final

De Guzman wrote:he might win awards, but he's mainly decent against poor opposition. The moment it really matters he chokes. Not even manages to score of half as much goals as choker Henry did in big matches.

I couldn't give a shit about stats really. first of all he starts his games on the wing so that is not completly fair to judge even if he uses alot of time in the box. in the end if you should say he sucks then it should be because he doesn't really perform or add to Man Utd when they play against the big teams. this stat doesn't show alot because Ronaldo has already shown he can get goals at different times.

Batman wrote:Plus in that list, three players are strikers and one is a winger.

Anyone who think Ronaldo is a winger can fuck off. A winger is some one who puts in crosses and runs down the byline. Ronaldo is a right sided forward.

Cookie Monster wrote:

Batman wrote:Plus in that list, three players are strikers and one is a winger.

Anyone who think Ronaldo is a winger can fuck off. A winger is some one who puts in crosses and runs down the byline. Ronaldo is a right sided forward.

SWP

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Drogba is the best of those

Drogba is a good striker but he's in danger of becoming the most overrated striker since Patrick Kluivert. His best performances against us have been when Senderos(a player that has trouble dealing with A Drogba type striker) was in defence. And apart from that one-off performance against Carra and co at Anfield, I can't remember a class performance from him against them in the league. I'm not even going to mention his performance against Manu, 0 goals against them in 5 seasons says it all. Or should I just say his performance against them the other day was the worst I have seen from a top 4 striker against one of the big 4?

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Does it say how many of henry's came away from Highbury ?

Does it really matter Pierre? If it was that easy scoring against the big 4 at home, how comes the others(RVN, Ronaldo, Drogba) had/have such an abysmal record in comparison?

It has always baffled me why Henry was seen as a flat track bully. He's always troubled defenders from the top 4; Carragher has always been his bitch, the likes of Desailly,Gallas, Neville etc have always been tormented by him. And his stats against those are as good as it can get for someone who was his sides main attacking threat(therefore will always receive extra marking).

Cookie Monster wrote:

Batman wrote:Plus in that list, three players are strikers and one is a winger.

Anyone who think Ronaldo is a winger can fuck off. A winger is some one who puts in crosses and runs down the byline. Ronaldo is a right sided forward.

The Professor wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Drogba is the best of those

Drogba is a good striker but he's in danger of becoming the most overrated striker since Patrick Kluivert. His best performances against us have been when Senderos(a player that has trouble dealing with A Drogba type striker) was in defence. And apart from that one-off performance against Carra and co at Anfield, I can't remember a class performance from him against them in the league. I'm not even going to mention his performance against Manu, 0 goals against them in 5 seasons says it all. Or should I just say his performance against them the other day was the worst I have seen from a top 4 striker against one of the big 4?

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Does it say how many of henry's came away from Highbury ?

Does it really matter Pierre? If it was that easy scoring against the big 4 at home, how comes the others(RVN, Ronaldo, Drogba) had/have such an abysmal record in comparison?

It has always baffled me why Henry was seen as a flat track bully. He's always troubled defenders from the top 4; Carragher has always been his bitch, the likes of Desailly,Gallas, Neville etc have always been tormented by him. And his stats against those are as good as it can get for someone who was his sides main attacking threat(therefore will always receive extra marking).

Gallas !?

Are you sure ?

Henry could only play well v top 4 if he was playing on a pitch smaller than UEFA would like.

As stated Drogba's "abysmal record" doesn't include Cup Final goals against all 3 - what's Henry's record in cup finals like

Plus I have always maintained its about performing in these games as well as scoring and even you couldn't argue that Henry has performed away from Highbury v the big 4 ever.

Drogba raped Liverpool at Anfield and Arsenal at Highbury and Cardiff - FACT !

Plus Drogba was often up front alone without a creative midfielder behind him.

The Professor wrote: And apart from that one-off performance against Carra and co at Anfield, I can't remember a class performance from him against them in the league

...you can't remember him beating them with the goal of the season contender at The Bridge





Henry is Boumsong's bitch.

Professor,


How many finals has Henry failed to score in?

Its about time some of these questions were raised.

Not again....

Just to mention Thierry Henry's name is to start a multi-page debate. Even now, several years after he retired. It's crazy

That's what happens when players are so emphatically and ludicrously overrated. Those who didn't buy into the hype feel the need to overemphasise his failings to try to bring his reputation back to a sensible point.

The resistance of cretins and fundamentalists doesn't help.

Yeah Gallas. Many of u just remember that CL quarter finals performance against him and thought Galas has always had him in his pocket.

The only top 4 team Henry never performed against away from home was ManU, but that's mainly because he only started something like 4 games there; scored in one, and the others were all very tight games(atleast one of the others ended in a 0-0 draw). His record against them was good Pierre, which ever way u look at it. I remember him having two assists against them at Highbury without finding the net.

Drogba scored goals in second rate cup finals. He has played in a CL, Uefa cup, ACN finals without registering a single goal in those games, but I guess scoring against Arsenal kids(with Senderos in defence) makes up for It

debaser wrote:Just to mention Thierry Henry's name is to start a multi-page debate. Even now, several years after he retired. It's crazy