Ronaldo sucks

Tweedle wrote:The cocksucking of Messi makes me sick.

How many goals has he scored against EPL teams?

None, in 8 starts. 4 Chelsea, 2 Liverpool, 2 Man. Utd.

Tweedle wrote:The cocksucking of Messi makes me sick.

How many goals has he scored against EPL teams?

I used to feel the same way Tweedle(atleast till about 2 years ago). Used to think he was hugely overrated especially after watching Obi Mikel outplay the Argentina team in the 2005 youth tournament final. But after consistently watching him week in week out I couldn't help but love the player.

He's the best and most entertaining player I have ever had the pleasure of watching and u know what a big fan of Henry I'm. Messi is a once in a generation talent, I realise I'd be wasting time watching football If I continued my dislike for the world's most entertaining player. I have ever since embraced him and he's currently up there with my most favourite players.

kas wrote:

Tweedle wrote:The cocksucking of Messi makes me sick.

How many goals has he scored against EPL teams?

None, in 8 starts. 4 Chelsea, 2 Liverpool, 2 Man. Utd.

But I remember him destroying Chelsea at the Bridge as an 18 year old.

Another thing people should realise, the EPL big 4 is probably the most difficult for top players to shine against.

The Professor wrote:

kas wrote:

Tweedle wrote:The cocksucking of Messi makes me sick.

How many goals has he scored against EPL teams?

None, in 8 starts. 4 Chelsea, 2 Liverpool, 2 Man. Utd.

But I remember him destroying Chelsea at the Bridge as an 18 year old.

Another thing people should realise, the EPL big 4 is probably the most difficult for top players to shine against.

Yep, that was the game he was kicked out of because Mourinho realised they couldn't cope with him.

But Tweedle wanted to measure his level by a single stat, so I that's what I replied with. No point in repeating obvious things.

kas wrote:

The Professor wrote:

kas wrote:

Tweedle wrote:The cocksucking of Messi makes me sick.

How many goals has he scored against EPL teams?

None, in 8 starts. 4 Chelsea, 2 Liverpool, 2 Man. Utd.

But I remember him destroying Chelsea at the Bridge as an 18 year old.

Another thing people should realise, the EPL big 4 is probably the most difficult for top players to shine against.

Yep, that was the game he rolled out of stamford bridge.
But Tweedle wanted to measure his level by a single stat, so I that's what I replied with. No point in repeating obvious things.

Fixed it for you Kas.

kas wrote:

President Darkie wrote:I watched two games last season where Barca played Man U and Messi was shit both times. Spent the entire match dribbling into three people and losing the ball.

Curiously, the Barca fans were more than impressed with such performances.

Were there any more?

No.

It's a bit obvious that he wouldn't do as well as he usually does when up against the best defense in club football last season.

So he's only good against shit defences?

Nobody would impress you if you only watched 2 games in a CL semifinal when some of their key teammates were unfit and unmotivated.

I dunno about that. I've seen games where individual players have performed way above the level of their teammates.

Though wasn't Messi himself just coming back from (another) injury? If anything, I'd use that as the excuse for his poor performances in those two games.

Man. Utd. could easily double up on Messi knowing that Ronaldinho was so poor that their makeshift right flank could keep him quiet.

Nonetheless, Messi still spent the entire match trying to dribble past people and cut inside to where it was even more congested. I don't think I saw him try to go round the outside of the defender, down the left flank, once in the entire 180 minutes. Sure, he's left footed playing as a RWF so he is going to cut in, but to cut in every single time means that the defenders knew where he was headed every time they got the ball.

I dunno if Messi is like this all the time, but predictability is an immense failing when your primary job is to create and score goals.

IIRC we felt he was one of the best Barcelona players on the night, but it's not much compared to what the others were doing.

True enough. Though I'm comparing his level of performance compared to the hype he receives as a player, and to yours and other people's attempts to defend his poor performance.

And in the context of this thread, I think most of us as well as a large number of neutrals felt he was still better than Ronaldo in those 2 games

Ronaldo is widely hated on these boards. Messi is not. The Liverpool and Arsenal fans will always pick Messi over Ronaldo in any such game where both are playing. And I bet they make up most of the 'neutrals' to whom you refer.

Ronaldo actually created some chances or half chances, including if I rape children the goal that won the tie. Messi created fuck all. As I said at the time, both were massive let downs in a tie that was billed as Messi V Ronaldo. I think Ronaldo was a bit more influential.

Strangely though, when I said this we saw an outpouring of comments either to the contrary of what I'd said or accusing me of all sorts of daft stuff. Why? Because Messi still has golden boy status, at least as far as majority opinion on this board goes.

Exceptionally talented player? Yes. But he still hasn't proven he can stay fit for a season and dominate a competition leading to his side winning it. Ronaldo has. Ronaldo>Messi because of that.

And how many goals has Ronaldo scored against La Liga opposition? None as far as I am aware.

Must also be noted that against that the 2 games against Liverpool and Utd were Messi's very first games in 3 months. Glen might say he done nothing but run into opposition players but didn't he win official MOTM?

I don't think you'll find many who would argue that Ronaldo didn't deserve the WPOTY of the year award. I certainly think he deserved all the awards and plaudits. I may not think all that much of a lot of his performances, and even less, as an individual but he was clearly the BPITW last season.

President Darkie wrote:

kas wrote:

President Darkie wrote:I watched two games last season where Barca played Man U and Messi was shit both times. Spent the entire match dribbling into three people and losing the ball.

Curiously, the Barca fans were more than impressed with such performances.

Were there any more?

No.

It's a bit obvious that he wouldn't do as well as he usually does when up against the best defense in club football last season.

So he's only good against shit defences?

No what I was trying to say was if you only watch 2 games of someone against the toughest possible opposition, your opinion of him will obviously be worse than someone who you've watched more games of, against all types of opposition.

Nobody would impress you if you only watched 2 games in a CL semifinal when some of their key teammates were unfit and unmotivated.

I dunno about that. I've seen games where individual players have performed way above the level of their teammates.

Though wasn't Messi himself just coming back from (another) injury? If anything, I'd use that as the excuse for his poor performances in those two games.

I couldn't remember for sure...I think he was, but not 100% sure so left it out of my post.

Man. Utd. could easily double up on Messi knowing that Ronaldinho was so poor that their makeshift right flank could keep him quiet.

Nonetheless, Messi still spent the entire match trying to dribble past people and cut inside to where it was even more congested. I don't think I saw him try to go round the outside of the defender, down the left flank, once in the entire 180 minutes. Sure, he's left footed playing as a RWF so he is going to cut in, but to cut in every single time means that the defenders knew where he was headed every time they got the ball.

I dunno if Messi is like this all the time, but predictability is an immense failing when your primary job is to create and score goals.

Yup, he was rather predictable in that match, but this season with a RB more suited to our system playing behind him, he occasionally goes around the defender and then cuts back from the byline...he also floats around more, coming through the centre more often. Cutting inside is his most common move though, and probably with the injury/lack of movement from others, he just felt more comfortable doing this repeatedly.

IIRC we felt he was one of the best Barcelona players on the night, but it's not much compared to what the others were doing.

True enough. Though I'm comparing his level of performance compared to the hype he receives as a player, and to yours and other people's attempts to defend his poor performance.

And in the context of this thread, I think most of us as well as a large number of neutrals felt he was still better than Ronaldo in those 2 games

Ronaldo is widely hated on these boards. Messi is not. The Liverpool and Arsenal fans will always pick Messi over Ronaldo in any such game where both are playing. And I bet they make up most of the 'neutrals' to whom you refer.

Ronaldo actually created some chances or half chances, including if I rape children the goal that won the tie. Messi created fuck all. As I said at the time, both were massive let downs in a tie that was billed as Messi V Ronaldo. I think Ronaldo was a bit more influential.

No, the goal came from a mis-hit clearance by Zambrotta which went straight to Scholes. The neutrals weren't just Arsenal and Liverpool fans, others as well. Though you're right that Ronaldo automatically has people picking against him because of his personality, whereas Messi is the total opposite.

Strangely though, when I said this we saw an outpouring of comments either to the contrary of what I'd said or accusing me of all sorts of daft stuff. Why? Because Messi still has golden boy status, at least as far as majority opinion on this board goes.

Exceptionally talented player? Yes. But he still hasn't proven he can stay fit for a season and dominate a competition leading to his side winning it. Ronaldo has. Ronaldo>Messi because of that.

He's 2 years younger...this season he's had half a season of consistently brilliant form and no injuries. Fingers crossed it lasts till May.

@ Kas,

I'm pretty sure Messi was coming back from an injury during that tie.

As to his movement - of course, he should learn over time to attack in more and more varied ways depending on the opportunities available to him. If you say he's been getting better at that this season then I'll take your word for it.

We'll see what happens. He may well turn out to be a better player than Ronaldo. Though not Ronaldo Ronaldo.

President Darkie wrote:@ Kas,

I'm pretty sure Messi was coming back from an injury during that tie.

As to his movement - of course, he should learn over time to attack in more and more varied ways depending on the opportunities available to him. If you say he's been getting better at that this season then I'll take your word for it.

We'll see what happens. He may well turn out to be a better player than Ronaldo. Though not Ronaldo Ronaldo.

damn straight.

Calidad wrote:And how many goals has Ronaldo scored against La Liga opposition? None as far as I am aware.

How many games has he played against la liga oppositions exactly?

5 or 6.

We had Villarreal in our group twice. Thought I think he may have missed one game.

Now many goals has Rolando score against la liga teams, in fact how many goals as he scored against any big team and how many memorable performances has he had against them.


If you were going to choose one of them to be better than the real ronaldo, the entire world would choose messi and the EPL fan boys would choose ronaldo, keep on living in your little world were everything from the prem it better.

Messiah wrote:Now many goals has Rolando score against la liga teams, in fact how many goals as he scored against any big team and how many remember-able performances has he had against them.


If you were going to choose one of them to be better than the real ronaldo, the entire world would choose messi and the EPL fan boys would choose ronaldo, keep on living in your little world were everything from the prem it better.

And you all keep living in your world where Aguero is the world's 2nd best footballer

Why do people think Messiah is American?

borocooper wrote:Why do people think Messiah is American?

Because he told us that he is.

Messiah wrote:Now many goals has Rolando score against la liga teams, in fact how many goals as he scored against any big team and how many memorable performances has he had against them.

Memorable for someone who likes him as a player or memorable for someone like you who hates him for being better than your idol?

If you were going to choose one of them to be better than the real ronaldo, the entire world would choose messi and the EPL fan boys would choose ronaldo, keep on living in your little world were everything from the prem it better.

Which 'you'?

who has ever said kun is the 2nd best player in the world, I know i haven't, what many have said is that he has the undoubted potential to be the best player in the world.

and if you look at his development his game is probably ahead of messi and ronaldo at the game age.

Leading Atletico to the CL at 19.

the most important player for a cl club at 20 and deal with the pressure very well.

messi or ronaldo weren't doing that at 19and20.

Rooney was Everton's most important player at the age of 16 FFS.

President Darkie wrote:

Messiah wrote:Now many goals has Rolando score against la liga teams, in fact how many goals as he scored against any big team and how many memorable performances has he had against them.

Memorable for someone who likes him as a player or memorable for someone like you who hates him for being better than your idol?

If you were going to choose one of them to be better than the real ronaldo, the entire world would choose messi and the EPL fan boys would choose ronaldo, keep on living in your little world were everything from the prem it better.

Which 'you'?

Rivaldo is my idol and he sure as hell isn't better than him.

can you think of an absolutely great performance by Rolando against any team of note?

I know who I would have for EPL, thats for sure.

President Darkie wrote:@ Kas,

I'm pretty sure Messi was coming back from an injury during that tie.

As to his movement - of course, he should learn over time to attack in more and more varied ways depending on the opportunities available to him. If you say he's been getting better at that this season then I'll take your word for it.

We'll see what happens. He may well turn out to be a better player than Ronaldo. Though not Ronaldo Ronaldo.

You are spot on with him being preditable. that is where i don't know whether to praise him for being able to be preditable but still have great succes or to critize for being to simple. As far as the comparison with Maradona goes he is quite a bit off. he has the dribbling but not the creative play. Messi's outstanding ability to dribble(best ever?) has meant he has never had to reily on passing that much. he will not be a playmaker but a good second striker. of course he is still better in this area then Cristiano Ronaldo but that doesn't matter.

Tweedle
Who has claimed that Aguero is the 2nd best footballer? Are you talking about the best forward list? If so that is for strikers/forwards.

Somebody take me back to 2001-02, the best players in the world then were much better than this batch.

Tweedle wrote:Rooney was Everton's most important player at the age of 16 FFS.

your point being

Tweedle wrote:

borocooper wrote:Why do people think Messiah is American?

Because he told us that he is.

Mental.

The HuddFather wrote:Somebody take me back to 2001-02, the best players in the world then were much better than this batch.

Ah the good old days

The HuddFather wrote:Somebody take me back to 2001-02, the best players in the world then were much better than this batch.

Zidane
Batistuta
Ronaldo
Raul
Figo
Veron
Totti
Del Piero
Rui Costa
Boksic
Mendieta...

The HuddFather wrote:Somebody take me back to 2001-02, the best players in the world then were much better than this batch.

Tell me about it.... What I' give for a bit of Rui Costa, Aimar and Bergkamp right now

What is interesting to see is that of those players mentioned at that time:
Zidane: 30 years old
Batistuta:32 years old
Ronaldo: 26 years old
Figo : 30 years old
Veron:27 year old
Totti: 26 years old
Del Piero 28 years old
Rui Costa: 30 years old
Boksic: 32 years old
Mendieta: 28 years old

Where is all the players in the age group 26-32 that were supposed to take over? instead we have overhyped kids Ronaldo,Messi,Cesc and the likes.

Well, that isn't an exclusive list of all the good players in 2001. They're a selection from those I found on the 2001 Fifa WPOTY rankings.

Still, I take your point. The players in that age range at the various top clubs in the world are typically overshadowed (at least in terms of reputation, if not actual performance) by the wonderkids.