Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Isco Benny wrote:Yeah, a club that Madrid were supposed to be all pally with after signing that partnership last year. Do you think people outside of Madrid are looking on thinking "wow, now there's a super rich club behaving with dignity and respect"...? Nah, they're thinking Madrid once again playing dirty and believing they can do whatever the fuck they want. Shame they fucked with the wrong Jew.  Florentino got Levy'd, and I know friends of mine who aren't Spurs fans think it's deservedly hilarious

 
Yeah we can't afford to lose all those neutrals who are just on the fence on what to think about Real Madrid. I actually prefer not being too liked by neutrals. Even then nobody much cares about the way this or any other transfer is conducted unless something big happens. Only Tottenham and Real Madrid fans really care about the intracies of the dealings. Everybody else is just hoping the hyped up transfer goes through.

Either way I don't care too much and I never have about this transfer stuff. For me it is about the player and whether or not he wants to leave. If he doesn't then there is no transfer and no news. If he does then there is a problem and no club can expect no problem if they keep a player who wants leave and has been promised such a move. Imo Bale is at fault because he didn't have to sign a contract that would automatically give Tottenham a great position in the transfer dealings. This is why I didn't complain when Ramos and Milan(and their players) were sniffing around Ramos a couple of years back. On other hand I get why this is an annoyance to Tottenham fans who see Real Madrid as getting in the way of a potentially great team that can qualify for Cl. But I don't think there is any injustice here.

Jaime
I read somewhere that this transfer stuff with Bale might have been done in order to facilitate the Ronaldo contract. Any truth to this?

Super Mourinho wrote:

Isco Benny wrote:Yeah, a club that Madrid were supposed to be all pally with after signing that partnership last year. Do you think people outside of Madrid are looking on thinking "wow, now there's a super rich club behaving with dignity and respect"...? Nah, they're thinking Madrid once again playing dirty and believing they can do whatever the fuck they want. Shame they fucked with the wrong Jew.  Florentino got Levy'd, and I know friends of mine who aren't Spurs fans think it's deservedly hilarious

 
Yeah we can't afford to lose all those neutrals who are just on the fence on what to think about Real Madrid. I actually prefer not being too liked by neutrals. Even then nobody much cares about the way this or any other transfer is conducted unless something big happens. Only Tottenham and Real Madrid fans really care about the intracies of the dealings. Everybody else is just hoping the hyped up transfer goes through.

Either way I don't care too much and I never have about this transfer stuff. For me it is about the player and whether or not he wants to leave. If he doesn't then there is no transfer and no news. If he does then there is a problem and no club can expect no problem if they keep a player who wants leave and has been promised such a move. Imo Bale is at fault because he didn't have to sign a contract that would automatically give Tottenham a great position in the transfer dealings. This is why I didn't complain when Ramos and Milan(and their players) were sniffing around Ramos a couple of years back. On other hand I get why this is an annoyance to Tottenham fans who see Real Madrid as getting in the way of a potentially great team that can qualify for Cl. But I don't think there is any injustice here.

Jaime
I read somewhere that this transfer stuff with Bale might have been done in order to facilitate the Ronaldo contract. Any truth to this?

I agree with Super in the sense that if a player is loyal (rarer these days) and wants to stay, then he will stay no matter what the tabloids are saying. If he wants to leave there is not a lot you can do and in my opinion, I don't want a player who wants to leave any way. Which is why I was perfectly happy for Robinho to f*ck off even though I'd spent three years defending him and patiently waiting for him to come good. But I understand that it is hard to take if it is your team's main player and also one that has endeared himself to the supporters.

Re: Ronaldo I have not actually heard that angle. What was reported earlier was that Florentino was pushing hard for Bale because he was convinced that Ronaldo was not going to sign a new deal. In fact, there were even stories suggesting the opposite that Ronaldo was refusing to get a new deal signed because allegedly he was mad that Florentino was going to break "his" transfer fee record.

Soooooooooooooooo close!

Jaime wrote:

Super Mourinho wrote:

Isco Benny wrote:Yeah, a club that Madrid were supposed to be all pally with after signing that partnership last year. Do you think people outside of Madrid are looking on thinking "wow, now there's a super rich club behaving with dignity and respect"...? Nah, they're thinking Madrid once again playing dirty and believing they can do whatever the fuck they want. Shame they fucked with the wrong Jew.  Florentino got Levy'd, and I know friends of mine who aren't Spurs fans think it's deservedly hilarious

 
Yeah we can't afford to lose all those neutrals who are just on the fence on what to think about Real Madrid. I actually prefer not being too liked by neutrals. Even then nobody much cares about the way this or any other transfer is conducted unless something big happens. Only Tottenham and Real Madrid fans really care about the intracies of the dealings. Everybody else is just hoping the hyped up transfer goes through.

Either way I don't care too much and I never have about this transfer stuff. For me it is about the player and whether or not he wants to leave. If he doesn't then there is no transfer and no news. If he does then there is a problem and no club can expect no problem if they keep a player who wants leave and has been promised such a move. Imo Bale is at fault because he didn't have to sign a contract that would automatically give Tottenham a great position in the transfer dealings. This is why I didn't complain when Ramos and Milan(and their players) were sniffing around Ramos a couple of years back. On other hand I get why this is an annoyance to Tottenham fans who see Real Madrid as getting in the way of a potentially great team that can qualify for Cl. But I don't think there is any injustice here.

Jaime
I read somewhere that this transfer stuff with Bale might have been done in order to facilitate the Ronaldo contract. Any truth to this?

I agree with Super in the sense that if a player is loyal (rarer these days) and wants to stay, then he will stay no matter what the tabloids are saying. If he wants to leave there is not a lot you can do and in my opinion, I don't want a player who wants to leave any way. Which is why I was perfectly happy for Robinho to f*ck off even though I'd spent three years defending him and patiently waiting for him to come good. But I understand that it is hard to take if it is your team's main player and also one that has endeared himself to the supporters.

Re: Ronaldo I have not actually heard that angle. What was reported earlier was that Florentino was pushing hard for Bale because he was convinced that Ronaldo was not going to sign a new deal. In fact, there were even stories suggesting the opposite that Ronaldo was refusing to get a new deal signed because allegedly he was mad that Florentino was going to break "his" transfer fee record.

I agree that this angle had flaws in it. Unless Perez wanted to show that Ronaldo was not indispensible when arguing over a new contract.
But given Ronaldo's personality it seems more likeyed he would be annoyed by being outshone.

Well and Ronaldo has to be furious now that Neymar is also making more than him! I honestly don't know how this will end. Ancelotti seems confident he will renew but in the press conference the other day Ronaldo said that there was no news.

Jaime wrote:Soooooooooooooooo close!

That would have been sexy.

Its been a good pre-season, apart from Bournemouth its all been against decent opposition.

Jaime wrote:

Super Mourinho wrote:

Isco Benny wrote:Yeah, a club that Madrid were supposed to be all pally with after signing that partnership last year. Do you think people outside of Madrid are looking on thinking "wow, now there's a super rich club behaving with dignity and respect"...? Nah, they're thinking Madrid once again playing dirty and believing they can do whatever the fuck they want. Shame they fucked with the wrong Jew.  Florentino got Levy'd, and I know friends of mine who aren't Spurs fans think it's deservedly hilarious

 
Yeah we can't afford to lose all those neutrals who are just on the fence on what to think about Real Madrid. I actually prefer not being too liked by neutrals. Even then nobody much cares about the way this or any other transfer is conducted unless something big happens. Only Tottenham and Real Madrid fans really care about the intracies of the dealings. Everybody else is just hoping the hyped up transfer goes through.

Either way I don't care too much and I never have about this transfer stuff. For me it is about the player and whether or not he wants to leave. If he doesn't then there is no transfer and no news. If he does then there is a problem and no club can expect no problem if they keep a player who wants leave and has been promised such a move. Imo Bale is at fault because he didn't have to sign a contract that would automatically give Tottenham a great position in the transfer dealings. This is why I didn't complain when Ramos and Milan(and their players) were sniffing around Ramos a couple of years back. On other hand I get why this is an annoyance to Tottenham fans who see Real Madrid as getting in the way of a potentially great team that can qualify for Cl. But I don't think there is any injustice here.

Jaime
I read somewhere that this transfer stuff with Bale might have been done in order to facilitate the Ronaldo contract. Any truth to this?

I agree with Super in the sense that if a player is loyal (rarer these days) and wants to stay, then he will stay no matter what the tabloids are saying. If he wants to leave there is not a lot you can do and in my opinion, I don't want a player who wants to leave any way. Which is why I was perfectly happy for Robinho to f*ck off even though I'd spent three years defending him and patiently waiting for him to come good. But I understand that it is hard to take if it is your team's main player and also one that has endeared himself to the supporters.

Re: Ronaldo I have not actually heard that angle. What was reported earlier was that Florentino was pushing hard for Bale because he was convinced that Ronaldo was not going to sign a new deal. In fact, there were even stories suggesting the opposite that Ronaldo was refusing to get a new deal signed because allegedly he was mad that Florentino was going to break "his" transfer fee record.

The annoyance as a Spurs fan isn't that Bale would want to leave to Madrid, or even Madrid chasing him, it's that it's really poor show to do it so brazenly in public. Obviously no transfer occurs 100% behind the scenes, there will always be leaks and agents stirring the shit for example. But RM have made it quite clear they are happy to conduct their pursuit in the open, and it rankles as it does not have to be like this. When you've even got Zinedine Zidane going public with his opinion along with everyone down to the tea lady, we can all see what is going on. It's like Megan Fox donning a bikini, lathering herself up and standing outside Bale's house pointing at her vagina each time Bale and his plainer girlfriend come out the front door. Luckily, the plainer girlfriend has a father and his name is Daniel Levy

I hear the Modric, Isco, Ozil trio is starting to look rather good. How do Madrid fans feel they will fit in? Modric will obviously (and rightly play deeper), but what positions will Isco and Ozil fill? Have they been interchanging? Quite unique in that all three are very good at keeping possession, but are equally effective on the break.

I have long thought that Isco is the future of the national side (closest thing I've seen to Zidane since Iniesta, and closest thing to Iniesta since, well...Isco) so I'm looking forward to watching him at Madrid. I hope he and Ozil are utilised correctly. Presumably Di Maria will be the one to miss out.

On a slightly different note, I think Madrid have a very impressive and balanced squad, with a good blend of experience and youth. Sales have been good from a financial perspective, and won't be missed from a sporting one. Kaka is still the obvious quandary. But yes, very strong all over the pitch.

The club have thrown a lot of money at the central midfield area in recent years, and I'm still not convinced they have that 'ideal' partnership like Barca, Bayern and even Dortmund and PSG have, but that said it's certainly an impressive set of options and as good a midfield (at least on paper) that Madrid have had for a good few years. I haven't seen a great deal of Irramendi, which I've no doubt misspelt, but I don't think he's a 30m player. He seems to be an effective short, quick passing type of player who is positionally astute. Would this be a correct appraisal? I certainly don't see the Alonso comparisons, but it is nice to see the Madrid have a very strong Spanish core to the side.

Are Madrid fans equally happy with the makeup of the squad?

They'll bring in Bale to shit on that 'beautifully looking' midfield and unsettle the balance. Been there, done that, the Real Madrid way.

I suspect Ronaldo will be less tied to the left than he was in the past but I gues we will have to see. If Ancelotti can make Ronaldo as effective goal scoring wise then it won't be a problem for Ronaldo. Ozil is somewhat limited in that he can only play the Am position effectively whereas he is more inconsistent on the right since he doesn't track back. So I'm guesing Isco will simply take over from Di Maria. Now any positional analysis also depends on the style which can erase some of those concerns. Ozil on the right could work if the style is different but I would prefer Isco on the right since we can't afford two lazy players on the wing.


With regards to the squad I'm happy as long as it is effective so I can be pragmatic even if I would prefer a more physical midfielder than Illarramendi. I still wonder what we will do with the striker situation. Zidane and Ancelotti presumably want to put full trust in Benzema but if Perez doesn't get Bale as his star signing I could imagine him wanting Suarez. At this moment I just want one striker and I barely care if he will be a 1/2/3 choice striker. I'm quite happy that we're maintaining our main Cb's and have added Carvajal. It remains to be seen what happens with Coentrao but I still have faith in Marcelo and Nacho is good enough as back up if Coentrao leaves.

Jaime is the guy to consult on Illarramendi but he strikes me as a player with the physique and style of Busquets but with better passing.

Calidad wrote:I hear the Modric, Isco, Ozil trio is starting to look rather good. How do Madrid fans feel they will fit in? Modric will obviously (and rightly play deeper), but what positions will Isco and Ozil fill? Have they been interchanging? Quite unique in that all three are very good at keeping possession, but are equally effective on the break.

I have long thought that Isco is the future of the national side (closest thing I've seen to Zidane since Iniesta, and closest thing to Iniesta since, well...Isco) so I'm looking forward to watching him at Madrid. I hope he and Ozil are utilised correctly. Presumably Di Maria will be the one to miss out.

On a slightly different note, I think Madrid have a very impressive and balanced squad, with a good blend of experience and youth. Sales have been good from a financial perspective, and won't be missed from a sporting one. Kaka is still the obvious quandary. But yes, very strong all over the pitch.

The club have thrown a lot of money at the central midfield area in recent years, and I'm still not convinced they have that 'ideal' partnership like Barca, Bayern and even Dortmund and PSG have, but that said it's certainly an impressive set of options and as good a midfield (at least on paper) that Madrid have had for a good few years. I haven't seen a great deal of Irramendi, which I've no doubt misspelt, but I don't think he's a 30m player. He seems to be an effective short, quick passing type of player who is positionally astute. Would this be a correct appraisal? I certainly don't see the Alonso comparisons, but it is nice to see the Madrid have a very strong Spanish core to the side.

Are Madrid fans equally happy with the makeup of the squad?

It has been interesting to see a team with all three Modric, Isco, and Ozil. With these three the emphasis is definitely more on keeping the ball. But the team can still counter attack with the best of them. Initially it seemed like Isco and Ozil would be competing for the same position but Ancelotti has been starting with Ozil on the right but he cuts into the middle quite a bit with Dani Carvajal bombing down the right wing to give width on that side. It reminds me a little bit of how Del Bosque utilised Zidane and Roberto Carlos (on the left of course) in the 2002-03 season. Di Maria has indeed been the one left out on most occasions although he has had as good a preseason as I can remember. If he stays, I'm sure he will still be useful. Isco has played primarily down the middle but he has also drifted out to the left with regularity. It seems that a big change that Ancelotti is making is that he is giving Ronaldo complete liberty to go where he wants where as under Jose he was bound to the left flank and expected to do a lot of defensive work. But the third goal against Chelsea shows how the new role for Ronaldo might work out, he drifted deep and then when Isco took up the ball on the left wing he burst forward to head home the cross, completely unmarked.

Illarramendi is not worth 38m euro. But that is what his buyout clause was and as Ancelotti was looking for footballing CMs (rather than facking runners like Khedira) the club didn't have much choice. Prices have been inflated over time of course and when you remember the club bought Mahamadou Diarra not too long ago for 25m, a player like Illarra is surely not a bad piece of business 38m. The comparisons with Alonso are because they were both '4's brought up in Zubieta but Illarra is much more of an all-rounder. Like all the Spanish midfielders his passing is great. He doesn't quite have Alonso's range but it's not bad. He covers a lot of ground and is pretty tenacious defensively but then can burst forward and find the opposing penalty box the next. He is kind of a diminutive version of Javi Martinez. He does not have the same height or aerial prowess but the other characteristics are similar. Illarra's passing is probably a little better even.

In general I am happy with the squad as it stands. I still think 2-3 players might leave and Bale might arrive. Coentrao for sure is leaving which is a shame because I think he is the best left back we have and although Nacho is a decent backup I don't think he is as comfortable on the left. If Florentino signs Bale (for a while it was looking like it definitely was happening...now in the last day or two I feel like things have cooled) for sure Di Maria will leave. And I think Khedira is the other player that is finding himself on the outside looking in. I think the primary midfield partnership will be Modric/Illarra + Alonso. But Casemiro has played so well in preseason I think he is ahead of Khedira in the pecking order now. Jose always had a hard on for Sami and there are rumours that Chelsea will make a bid for the anti-footballing German (please god let it be true!). Of course as Super has mentioned the one big doubt looming is the centre forward position. I would have kept Higuain over Benzema personally but Higuain was determined to find a fresh start and Benzema is Zidane's preference all along. We have Morata and Jese and I like that we are giving them chances, but it is a risk. If we could have signed Cavani or Falcao I would have been all for it. But Ancelotti is going to make Benzema the main man and hopefully he reacts well to the confidence that is being shown him. Morata has been very good in preseason and Jese had an excellent U20 World Cup so I'd much rather give them a try than pay 50m for Luis Suarez.

blutgraetsche wrote:They'll bring in Bale to shit on that 'beautifully looking' midfield and unsettle the balance. Been there, done that, the Real Madrid way.

Psst, the rumours now are that Perez'd pursuit of Bale has unsettled the Madrid dressing room, with players there (rightly) questioning why they need to spend that amount of money on him when the midfield is already purring. Apparently these are players who were coerced into making comments in public about how wonderful it would be to have Bale at Madrid (Ramos, Coentrao, Casillas the most outspoken).

What all this means is we may just see both RM and Spurs fans ending up happy with Bale staying, Madrid's midfield remains unbalanced, thus solving World poverty and leading to a better future for all of our children

All this talk of balance has got me actually curious Which team actually has a balanced midfield in club football. I would say Bayern last year but not now with Pep's tinkering. I can't think of any other.

Barcelona doh

Pep tries to achieve more penetration and sheer dominance in the final third and so far, he seems to have already achieved that, which is remarkable considering the relatively short time he has worked with the team. But this extra of attacking clout has come at the expense of defensive stability, at least for now. Bayern look more vulnerable on the counter, there is more space left for the opposition to exploit.

But the most important aspect of balance / defensive stability is organisation, the type of players you use is the lesser important part, as long as all your players are willing and able to play their part in defending as a team. That's one of the fundamental things that have changed in the last few years and Pep's Barcelona were actually the pioneers in this regard. It's the era of 'generalists', the traditional total football school, in contrast to the 'specialist' era of the noughties when certain kinds of players were sought after for certain positions.

It remains to be seen if Ancelotti can move Real Madrid in that direction, the club that more than anyone else has always stood for the individualist ('specialist') over the collective ('generalist'). Will he be able to teach Ronaldo to track back or at least play smarter tactically? Will Real Madrid become more than the sum of their parts, the most expensive parts in football that is? Time will tell.

Pep is ridiculously ambitious and meticulous, I expect him to improve 'his' Bayern in the coming months and move closer to his all conquering total football ideal, he has the players for it. The best time to beat his Bayern is in the coming months, I expect them to get stronger in the second half of the season.

messiah wrote:Barcelona doh

 

carlo won't do jack at Madrid i predict another title less season, like i did last season.

4 leagues titles in how many years of management.

as it relates to balance its not about the players but the system, so barn will get it right.
durtmund midfield has been for a while
juve too
Jose has the players to make his system work so they will get there in time as well.

so to say no balance midfield is out there, is a big no.

I disagree. This is a disgustingly talented Madrid side, with an axiom in midfiel of Isco, Ozil and Modric to engineer the transitions from defense to attack and play the Ancelotti way (tactically sound without the rigidity of Mourinhos destructive football) I guarantee they will win at least another trophy this year. Ancelotti is a WINNER, won at Milan, Chelsea, PSG. The money helped but ultimately he has proven extremely astute and humble, which is a change from the other one. Good luck to him. Without Bale

spurs another team with a potentially brilliantly balance midfield

Teams with a good midfield:
Juventus
PSG
Dortmund
Barcelona
Bayern
Tottenham(On paper it looks good but is it better than any of the above?)

Teams that will probably join that list during this season:
City
Real Madrid

Up in the air:
Man Utd
Chelsea
Arsenal

Ancelotti has confirmed that Di Maria is staying which I'm all for since it is an indication that Bale won't come. It also means we have a winger in our team. None of Ronaldo, Ozil, Isco, Morata, Jese, Kaka are wingers with Isco being the closest to somebody who can keep play wide.

Our midfield at the moment


--------------Illarramendi/Modric/Casemiro--Alonso/Khedira


Di Maria/Isco-----------Ozil/Kaka--------Ronaldo/Jese


We are probably one midfielder too many. I'm hearing Casemiro is turning out to be a good player and he had a good assist for Ronaldo yesterday. We would be lucky to offload Khedira for what ever we can get for him. Other than that I'm happy. Pepe also seems to be staying which is great because I would like stability in defence and we are keeping 3 Cb's that can continue for years. I don't get why Ancelotti wants Cheryshev when we have Nacho and Marcelo if not Coentrao but this is a minor thing. Seems like Ancelotti has done well with the squad in pre season.

First time I've seen Casemiro was last night, he actually looks quite decent.

His assist for Ronaldo's goal was a clever pass and recovers a lot of possession for the team

Super Mourinho wrote:Ancelotti has confirmed that Di Maria is staying which I'm all for since it is an indication that Bale won't come. It also means we have a winger in our team. None of Ronaldo, Ozil, Isco, Morata, Jese, Kaka are wingers with Isco being the closest to somebody who can keep play wide.

Our midfield at the moment


--------------Illarramendi/Modric/Casemiro--Alonso/Khedira


Di Maria/Isco-----------Ozil/Kaka--------Ronaldo/Jese


We are probably one midfielder too many. I'm hearing Casemiro is turning out to be a good player and he had a good assist for Ronaldo yesterday. We would be lucky to offload Khedira for what ever we can get for him. Other than that I'm happy. Pepe also seems to be staying which is great because I would like stability in defence and we are keeping 3 Cb's that can continue for years. I don't get why Ancelotti wants Cheryshev when we have Nacho and Marcelo if not Coentrao but this is a minor thing. Seems like Ancelotti has done well with the squad in pre season.

Yeah, I agree we have one too many in midfield and that man is Khedira. I am praying that Jose really is interested in having him in Chelsea.

I don't know that Ancelotti wants Cheryshev per se. He had a clause in his contract that after 2012/13 he had to be promoted to the first team or sold (not sure why anyone would agree to such a clause but anyhow, probably was signed by Mijatovic!!!!!) so he had to do the preseason with the first team. It still sounds like there are a lot of offers from him from Malaga, Sevilla, and Celta Vigo. My guess is that he leaves before the transfer deadline.

Also, Ancelotti confirmed that Coentrao is leaving. Just waiting for a deal to materialise.

Casemiro has been really good in this preseason. He is everything that Khedira is not! I remember thinking how odd it was that he was not even playing in Castilla but there was so much hype about him but I read the other day it was part of the plan to ease him in Spanish football very slowly, not to make any pressure on him, and allow him to adapt to a new country/culture/language. I was not that impressed with him the one game Jose put him into (can't remember which one) but now with a full preseason under his belt and being fully acclimated he looks like a real steal for only 6m. Makes me feel better about not getting Paulinho. He is even taller and better in the air than Paulinho which gives our midfield a different dimension when he is in there.

Just had a chance to rewatch the Real Madrid-Inter match without any distractions. A couple of observations.

Unbelievable that Jose has been gone for just two months and already Arbeloa looks like a footballer again.

Kaka is still mostly shit but when he keeps things simple and plays one or two touch football instead of just trying to run past people he can actually be ok against teams like Elche.

Casemiro has really excellent range of passing. Short one touch passes, long change of direction passes, scooped passes over the defense, diagonal through passes - he's really been impressive. In a couple seasons Casemiro-Illarra could be an awesome pairing.

Sergio Ramos looks super gay with this new hair cut.

Morata is really working his ass off in these matches. When he is out on the wing he was tracking back all the back to the RM penalty box. His one touch passing and link up play in general was really good. Received a great through pass from Casemiro which he volleyed too high. Did a great job to lose his marker on a second movement but Kaka put the cross about 10 feet too high even though he was wide open.

Jese's first touch is superb. Nearly scored (off the bar) with his second touch of the match.

I like Bale, but there really is no need for him.

I think it was against Real Betis and I was not impressed at all during that game. If that is true then it is a great move by the club to have to adapt in that manner. Although that could only work with a low profile/low fee player. I'm excited to see him play now.

Morata always works his ass off for us. In the Barcelona game he neutralised Alves which we haven't been able to do for years because of Ronaldo. My beef with him is his technique and passing which generally doesn't look too sharp.

Can Jese play as a striker? I think that is what he played for Spain's U-20.

jese should be aa striker and morata moves to the wings

The good thing is neither has to play one or the other. This gives us flexibility no matter which one of them is on the bench. Neither should be happy to play striker or winger. If we use Jese as a striker as well we have some variety. Jese is 1.78, fast and more likely to go straight for goal. Morata is 1.90 and is a good option in the box. Benzema is more of a link up player and decent all around. The question is more if we can really rely on Morata and Jese already to fill out those roles.

messiah wrote:jese should be aa striker and morata moves to the wings

Jese was playing as a withdrawn striker against Inter. Played as a wide forward with the Spain U20s. He can basically do it all.

Did Casemiro look this impressive in Castilla? I never heard anything about him last season.

Calidad wrote:Did Casemiro look this impressive in Castilla? I never heard anything about him last season.

Neither did I. He was a bit of a mystery.