Lampard shut your fucking mouth

blutgraetsche wrote:

The Real White Pele wrote:And Lampard outscored Ballack in 2004, Gerrard outscored him in 2006.

Pray tell me how Ballack is the best goal scoring Midfielder in the World when he has scored 1 goal in 2 international comps, and both lampard and gerrard outscored him domestically and in the CL ?

You can't seriously question this, just compare the international stats of both Lampard and Gerrard to Ballack. Ballack has a better goal scoring ratio for the Mannschaft than Ronaldinho for Brazil for God's sake.

dont panic! wrote:
you must be a crouch fan then?

The Real White Pele wrote:
It was Gerrard's backpass against France that cost us victory. And Beckham's penalty miss, when England would have been 2-0 up with 5 minutes to go. How can Lampard be blamed for these costly errors??

Yeh I agree Lampard isnt the best at holding possession, but we saw the difference when Hargreaves played behind him v Greece- he was really not wasteful at all. So how this can be attributed to Lampard directly is beyond me... did you really think he was v good, he was ok and better than the WC not difficult so now some seem to think he was back to his best which he wasn´t and imho is best isn´t good enough for england

to say he was ordinary in Euro 2004 is a joke. 3 goals in 4 games isnt ordinary. And the only game where England were really poor in possesion was againt Portugal with 10 men. They were not outplayed in any of the other games, they were totally outplayed by france once we got our goal and for periods prior to this

Isar Truppe wrote:Gerrard outscored him???? ha ha ha ha.....you are obviously counting CL qualifying games from last season.....what a joke.

And please tell me how many Lampard scored last season excluding penalties?

And then tell me who out of these 3 players was not responsible for his teams exit at the world cup.

was it a)Lumphard b)Ballack or c)Gerrard?

I'll save you all the time.....the answer is Ballack. The rest all missed their penalties and choked when it mattered most.

Ballack >>>>>>> the rest

Isar Truppe wrote:Gerrard outscored him???? ha ha ha ha.....you are obviously counting CL qualifying games from last season.....what a joke.

And please tell me how many Lampard scored last season excluding penalties?

And then tell me who out of these 3 players was not responsible for his teams exit at the world cup.

was it a)Lumphard b)Ballack or c)Gerrard?

I'll save you all the time.....the answer is Ballack. The rest all missed their penalties and choked when it mattered most.

Ballack >>>>>>> the rest

blutgraetsche wrote:

dont panic! wrote:
you must be a crouch fan then?

Crouch is a striker. It's a completely different matter to score that many goals for a midfielder, and it's a completely different matter to play that many games and still have a good goal ratio. Crouch has 12 caps. Let us wait and see how many he has scored after 70 caps, provided that he will get that many for England.

dont panic! wrote:

a header against argentina from a good cross...probably the only way he was going to score as he really is a good header of the ball....but what else did he do?...nothing...he gets praised as being a complete striker...but he ONLY performs in this way at a high level against weaker sides...maybe this will change. Proven at every level, World Cup Golden Boot Winner!!!

10 goals in 2 world cups...yep...a hat trick against saudi arabia and goals against ireland and cameroon...then as soon as the later stages came and the better opponents...NONE!! Cameroon...African Champions. Saudi Arabia?? Then if they are so weak, how about goals against Switzerland and Croatia for Rooney in Euro 2004? Surely they count for shit because they were against shit sides?

same in 06 really..lots against weak teams...VERY few against good teams..even..as ive already said...to the extent
of not having ONE attempt at goal against italy...

lampard has proven himself at international level by the way...forgotten how he took bayern apart a while ago with ballack in the side?..a good euros too...Not exactly INTERNATIONAL level dumbass....that's EUROPEAN level.

dont panic! wrote:
lampard..ballack and gerrard all didnt perform this summer...to mention penalty misses is just clutching at straws..sorry...

out of those 3 id have gerrard any day...

dont panic! wrote:
?..doesnt make sence sorry..of course hes a striker..still a top average though and if thats a sign of a good striker then he should also be classed as being a top striker of the moment...

i dont think he is to be honest...maybe we judge players differently

The Real White Pele wrote:Or Frank Lumphard v Michael Bollock v Steven Gnackered seems to be the way its going...

Tweedledum wrote:

Ballack is World Class, but Lampard isn't as bad as is being made out.

Hes had ONE bad WC and suddenly its as if he won't ever play for Chelsea again.

Ballack IMO is better at most things than Lampaard but only just, the difference isn't that big

Tweedledum wrote:

The Real White Pele wrote:Or Frank Lumphard v Michael Bollock v Steven Gnackered seems to be the way its going...

This is what the EMb is ALL about though - you can't beat a good Germany V England debate

blutgraetsche wrote:

dont panic! wrote:
?..doesnt make sence sorry..of course hes a striker..still a top average though and if thats a sign of a good striker then he should also be classed as being a top striker of the moment...

i dont think he is to be honest...maybe we judge players differently

Trees, it does make a lot of sense, you just simply are not able to grasp it it seems. Completely pointless to discuss with you.

Isar Truppe wrote:3 World Cups and 3 European Championships....doo daa...doo daa

dont panic! wrote:
nope..what is pointless is to discuss football with someone who has nothing against people calling klose THE BEST STRIKER IN THE WORLD...but seems to pick holes in every english player and laugh at anybody who claim lampard is any good...thats the ONLY grievence ive got here...ive come to expect nothing else though.

dont panic! wrote:

nope..what is pointless is to discuss football with someone who has nothing against people calling klose THE BEST STRIKER IN THE WORLD...but seems to pick holes in every english player and laugh at anybody who claim lampard is any good...thats the ONLY grievence ive got here...ive come to expect nothing else though.

blutgraetsche wrote:

dont panic! wrote:
nope..what is pointless is to discuss football with someone who has nothing against people calling klose THE BEST STRIKER IN THE WORLD...but seems to pick holes in every english player and laugh at anybody who claim lampard is any good...thats the ONLY grievence ive got here...ive come to expect nothing else though.

I couldn't care less if you think that Lampard is the best thing happening to football since Pele

blutgraetsche wrote:

dont panic! wrote:
nope..what is pointless is to discuss football with someone who has nothing against people calling klose THE BEST STRIKER IN THE WORLD...but seems to pick holes in every english player and laugh at anybody who claim lampard is any good...thats the ONLY grievence ive got here...ive come to expect nothing else though.

Huh? What the hell are you raving about? I didn't say anything against people who claim Lampard to be good, I was just annoyed about some rather ....simplistic comments about Ballack, nothing else.

I couldn't care less if you think that Lampard is the best thing happening to football since Pele, as long as you keep those nonsense comparisons with Ballack to yourself.

dont panic! wrote:

Isar Truppe wrote:3 World Cups and 3 European Championships....doo daa...doo daa

and 1000s of sausages that all taste the same...doo daa...doo daa...

quite a song weve got going there....

Isar Truppe wrote:

dont panic! wrote:

nope..what is pointless is to discuss football with someone who has nothing against people calling klose THE BEST STRIKER IN THE WORLD...but seems to pick holes in every english player and laugh at anybody who claim lampard is any good...thats the ONLY grievence ive got here...ive come to expect nothing else though.

You're talking shit as per usual. You're inventing comments and arguments because you are a bitter. As an Englishman living in Deutschland it was all so simple....2006 was supposed to be your year damnit! So much was promised, so little was delivered....distant memories of the road to the world cup, the glimmer of the Berlin sun on the flags baring the cross of St.George....alas...it was not meant to be. And all that is left is a dishevelled bitter old man cursing all around him.

Never on our soil, old bean.....never on our soil!

dont panic! wrote:

Isar Truppe wrote:

dont panic! wrote:

nope..what is pointless is to discuss football with someone who has nothing against people calling klose THE BEST STRIKER IN THE WORLD...but seems to pick holes in every english player and laugh at anybody who claim lampard is any good...thats the ONLY grievence ive got here...ive come to expect nothing else though.

You're talking shit as per usual. You're inventing comments and arguments because you are a bitter. As an Englishman living in Deutschland it was all so simple....2006 was supposed to be your year damnit! So much was promised, so little was delivered....distant memories of the road to the world cup, the glimmer of the Berlin sun on the flags baring the cross of St.George....alas...it was not meant to be. And all that is left is a dishevelled bitter old man cursing all around him.

Never on our soil, old bean.....never on our soil!

hmm...and out comes the old 'lying' argument...

The Real White Pele wrote: PS Isar, can you please pass on the word over there that white socks and leather sandals does not work..! Please!

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COTR wrote:I think this whole thing kicked off because people questioned lampard's right to call himself one of the best midfielders in the world.... throw in a comment or two about ballack being the best goalscoring midfielder... mix it with a bit of klose... add in kaiser and trees and it's a recipe for a full days entertainment