C Ronaldo the best player in the world?

Messiah wrote:OK i'm being serious now, at this moment in time C.ronaldo is the best player in the world you only have to look at his goal tally to see that he is right up there.

but much like how everyone was saying cesc is the best midfielder in the world after scoring a few goals and now that his form has drop no one seems to remember him.

and this is what will happen with Ronaldo(maybe he will prove me wrong) .

He hasnt just started scoring for 2 months. This is 2 years now. From the end of the 2005/2006 season until now. I think he has scored 60 goals in that time. How can cesc who has never scored much, scoring for 2 months and then not much after that be compared to this?

L r d wrote:

sheva7 wrote:Rivaldo was definitely the best player in the world in 1999. Both Ronaldo and Kaká deserved to win the award this year, but Rivaldo deserved much more than anyone in 1999. Anyway this topic is about Ronaldo...

I just don't get the basis on what this goes on. Yes Kaka did have a great cl, but Rivaldo didn't even make it out of the group stages! Celtic are $h!t! but Milan went to extra damn time and Kaka is a magician for scoring against some knackered pub players. But he had great cl just that one example is not so great.

For me one contradicts the other. Both times the player who had a better season didn't win. Its clear there is favouritism towards brazillians and la liga players. Kaka never won it before so i don't mind him winning for such a great cl, but its clear when it was the other way around it produced a different outcome so imo you cant deny favouritism.

Right now most reasonable people apart from lunatics with bizarre ideals agree ronaldo is the best in the world. So i hope even if a cl semi like last year happens, he still gets the recognition he deserves by winning wpoty

You're overexagerating a great deal and are confusing players with clubs. Rivaldo is not Barcelona for a start and Kaka is not Milan.

The fact that Kaka scored the winning goal in that match only backs up his case. Celtic are not pub players either.

Kaka had an extremely dominant CL last season. Beckham was good but he wasnt by far the best player in the CL.

And again open your eyes. People could quite reasonably claim Ibra is better for example.

Parks lives wrote:

Messiah wrote:

but much like how everyone was saying cesc is the best midfielder in the world after scoring a few goals and now that his form has drop no one seems to remember him.

and this is what will happen with Ronaldo(maybe he will prove me wrong) and when this happens people will see that his overall game is nothing all that special i mean he doesn't give me goose bumps the way zidane,rivaldo and the both the fat fucks did when they were at the best.
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Why will it?

He's been consistently scoring since January 2006 & his scoring rate is getting higher and higher.

Because he's not going to score 50 goals this season now, is he ?

BoBo Vieri wrote:

L r d wrote:

sheva7 wrote:Rivaldo was definitely the best player in the world in 1999. Both Ronaldo and Kaká deserved to win the award this year, but Rivaldo deserved much more than anyone in 1999. Anyway this topic is about Ronaldo...

I just don't get the basis on what this goes on. Yes Kaka did have a great cl, but Rivaldo didn't even make it out of the group stages! Celtic are $h!t! but Milan went to extra damn time and Kaka is a magician for scoring against some knackered pub players. But he had great cl just that one example is not so great.

For me one contradicts the other. Both times the player who had a better season didn't win. Its clear there is favouritism towards brazillians and la liga players. Kaka never won it before so i don't mind him winning for such a great cl, but its clear when it was the other way around it produced a different outcome so imo you cant deny favouritism.

Right now most reasonable people apart from lunatics with bizarre ideals agree ronaldo is the best in the world. So i hope even if a cl semi like last year happens, he still gets the recognition he deserves by winning wpoty

You're overexagerating a great deal and are confusing players with clubs. Rivaldo is not Barcelona for a start and Kaka is not Milan.

The fact that Kaka scored the winning goal in that match only backs up his case. Celtic are not pub players either.

Kaka had an extremely dominant CL last season. Beckham was good but he wasnt by far the best player in the CL.

And again open your eyes. People could quite reasonably claim Ibra is better for example.

...and lrd says he won't listen to bollocks from me

But by comparing him with Cesc he's saying he'd virtually stop scoring altogether.

I can't see that happening at all.

L r d wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

L r d wrote:Well 1999 prem was better quality than seria a last year

Come off it - The Prem has come on leaps and bounds since those days.

Arsenal were finishing 2nd with Adams and he always got humiliated when he played CL or major International tournies.

Arsenal were a great team. I don't believe the 3rd best prem team would have been hammered 7-1 by anybody. Man Utd won the cl, the league wasnt so bad, Arsenal won the title the year before and were very close in the f.a cup and prem race. Last year seria a was horrific.

yet Milan managed to take out Liverpool and Man utd?

*waits for L r d to come up with some excuse about Utd's defense being injured*

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Parks lives wrote:

Huey wrote:Ribery?!?!?!?


Kenwyne Jones?!!?!?!



Oh. Dear.

If I have an opinion different from everyone else, I must be special...

I don't know when something is too good to be true - I must be a retard.

Listen Pierre - I like you, find you an entertaining poster. No argument that you're a retard - you're not. But seriously, this Ronaldo thing is getting daft. I'm one of Ronaldo's biggest critics - ask Lrd how many times I've argued this one with him. I don't think Ronaldo is the best in the world. I've said time and again that he has limitations as a player, that he has a lot to learn.

But come on mate, Kenwyne Jones? I'm a Southampton fan. I remember when Strachan signed him. Pretty sure it was Strachan. I rate the guy, probably more than most. But he simply is not a better player than Ronaldo.

Were you calling Lampard one of the best when he was getting 20 goals from "central midfield" ?

I dunno about Parky, but I was in the 'they're all deflections and penalties, and he's playing as a split striker' group. Very much so. Still am, just no one gives a toss about Lampard any more.

There are perfectly valid criticisms to make of Ronaldo's game, and I'm one of the people making them. But I cannot condone some of the Cr@p you've spewed on this thread.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
Because he's not going to score 50 goals this season now, is he ?

He might. You wouldn't have thought a team as $h!t as Arsenal could go a league season unbeaten, but statistical anomalies happen...

Huey wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Parks lives wrote:

Huey wrote:Ribery?!?!?!?


Kenwyne Jones?!!?!?!



Oh. Dear.

If I have an opinion different from everyone else, I must be special...

I don't know when something is too good to be true - I must be a retard.

Listen Pierre - I like you, find you an entertaining poster. No argument that you're a retard - you're not. But seriously, this Ronaldo thing is getting daft. I'm one of Ronaldo's biggest critics - ask Lrd how many times I've argued this one with him. I don't think Ronaldo is the best in the world. I've said time and again that he has limitations as a player, that he has a lot to learn.

But come on mate, Kenwyne Jones? I'm a Southampton fan. I remember when Strachan signed him. Pretty sure it was Strachan. I rate the guy, probably more than most. But he simply is not a better player than Ronaldo.

Were you calling Lampard one of the best when he was getting 20 goals from "central midfield" ?

I dunno about Parky, but I was in the 'they're all deflections and penalties, and he's playing as a split striker' group. Very much so. Still am, just no one gives a toss about Lampard any more.

There are perfectly valid criticisms to make of Ronaldo's game, and I'm one of the people making them. But I cannot condone some of the Cr@p you've spewed on this thread.

Fair do's but I don't think its as bad as people saying he is the best and no reasonable person could disagree because he's done well against:

Aston Villa
Blackburn
Portsmouth
Newcastle
Middlesbrough
Sunderland
Reading
Birmingham
Wigan
Fulham
Derby
Dynamo Kiev
Sporting Lisbon


They're mostly all decent(ish) teams don't get me wrong but that is effectively the argument.

Where's Arsenal?!

Parks lives wrote:Where's Arsenal?!

North London

[snigger]

FA cup semi final 2004
FA cup final 2005
2 goals against them in the 2004/2005 season
Goal and assist against them this season at the Emirates

& what about the International performances in Euro 2004 and the last World cup.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:He's done well against:

Aston Villa
Blackburn
Portsmouth
Newcastle
Middlesbrough
Sunderland
Reading
Birmingham
Wigan
Fulham
Derby
Dynamo Kiev
Sporting Lisbon

Can I just say he hasn't performed well in a fair amount of these games (well as an (wide)AM), but he's just scored in them.

shazlx wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:He's done well against:

Aston Villa
Blackburn
Portsmouth
Newcastle
Middlesbrough
Sunderland
Reading
Birmingham
Wigan
Fulham
Derby
Dynamo Kiev
Sporting Lisbon

Can I just say he hasn't performed well in a fair amount of these games (well as an (wide)AM), but he's just scored in them.

I did say he's done well rather than performed well.

shazlx wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:He's done well against:

Aston Villa
Blackburn
Portsmouth
Newcastle
Middlesbrough
Sunderland
Reading
Birmingham
Wigan
Fulham
Derby
Dynamo Kiev
Sporting Lisbon

Can I just say he hasn't performed well in a fair amount of these games (well as an (wide)AM), but he's just scored in them.

And he's played some of his best stuff in games where it just so happens he didn't score. What's your point?

Huey wrote:

shazlx wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:He's done well against:

Aston Villa
Blackburn
Portsmouth
Newcastle
Middlesbrough
Sunderland
Reading
Birmingham
Wigan
Fulham
Derby
Dynamo Kiev
Sporting Lisbon

Can I just say he hasn't performed well in a fair amount of these games (well as an (wide)AM), but he's just scored in them.

And he's played some of his best stuff in games where it just so happens he didn't score. What's your point?

Then those games should be put up as examples of him doing well.

shazlx wrote:

Huey wrote:

shazlx wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:He's done well against:

Aston Villa
Blackburn
Portsmouth
Newcastle
Middlesbrough
Sunderland
Reading
Birmingham
Wigan
Fulham
Derby
Dynamo Kiev
Sporting Lisbon

Can I just say he hasn't performed well in a fair amount of these games (well as an (wide)AM), but he's just scored in them.

And he's played some of his best stuff in games where it just so happens he didn't score. What's your point?

Then those games should be put up as examples of him doing well.

Doesn't answer the question. What's your point? That you think Ronaldo is a tosser because you can't accept that the league's most hyped player DOESN'T play for Arsenal?

No one is fooled by this. Except the fools, obviously.

L r d wrote:

sheva7 wrote:Rivaldo was definitely the best player in the world in 1999. Both Ronaldo and Kaká deserved to win the award this year, but Rivaldo deserved much more than anyone in 1999. Anyway this topic is about Ronaldo...

I just don't get the basis on what this goes on. Yes Kaka did have a great cl, but Rivaldo didn't even make it out of the group stages! Celtic are $h!t! but Milan went to extra damn time and Kaka is a magician for scoring against some knackered pub players. But he had great cl just that one example is not so great.

For me one contradicts the other. Both times the player who had a better season didn't win. Its clear there is favouritism towards brazillians and la liga players. Kaka never won it before so i don't mind him winning for such a great cl, but its clear when it was the other way around it produced a different outcome so imo you cant deny favouritism.

Right now most reasonable people apart from lunatics with bizarre ideals agree ronaldo is the best in the world. So i hope even if a cl semi like last year happens, he still gets the recognition he deserves by winning wpoty

Beckham was far away from being as brilliant as Kaká was last season in the KO stages. Simple as that.

Barca vs Man Utd 98-99 UCL matches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbD6LHarSxo&feature=related

Rivaldo and Beckham played very well.

BTW in 1999 Rivaldo also was by far the best player of Copa America and Brazil won the title.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

However - the fact that he can't do anything truly remarkable with a ball, has limited dribbling skills and Ferguson's refusal to rest him for FA Cup games means he will be ineffective by the QF's of The Champions League.

I really don't get you...

@ sheva7

Like I've said it should have been Keane who should have been Manchester United's representative in the FIFA Award ..

But Beckham was amazing:

* Played his part on the Final day of the 1998/99 Premiership season, Manchester United needed to beat Spurs to win the League (sorry Arsenal fans for bringing this up) scored in the game, the equaliser I believe.
* Scored in the BIG semi-final replay against Arsenal in the FA Cup
* By far Manchester United's best player in the UCL Final

UCL should not be the basis of who is the best Player in Europe in a given season. Only 4 teams have won the European Treble Beckham played his part in making Man United the 4th team to do so.

While Rivaldo was amazing week in week out in La Liga...

Did not win a Treble, sorry but Beckham contributed to History. First English, Spanish or Italian (the BIG 3 LEAGUES) team to do so. Sadly I don't believe in this FIFA Award, he was hardly recognised in England to be fair. Oh Manchester United are one of TWO European teams to win the European Treble + Intercontinental Title, the other team was Dutch but you can guess who.

You don't believe in the FIFA Award, but maybe you believe in the Ballon d'Or. Guess who won it in 1999...

sheva7 wrote:You don't believe in the FIFA Award, but maybe you believe in the Ballon d'Or. Guess who won it in 1999...

That is the REAL award. This is one reason why C Ronaldo should stay in England, he could easily go to Spain or Italy and win this award but it will be better achievement if he did win it by playing in England.

I'm assuming Dave Beckham finished 2nd?

Nummer 14 wrote:

sheva7 wrote:You don't believe in the FIFA Award, but maybe you believe in the Ballon d'Or. Guess who won it in 1999...

That is the REAL award. This is one reason why C Ronaldo should stay in England, he could easily go to Spain or Italy and win this award but it will be better achievement if he did in playing in England.

I'm assuming Dave Beckham finished 2nd?

Beckham finished 2nd in both awards.

sheva7 wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:

sheva7 wrote:You don't believe in the FIFA Award, but maybe you believe in the Ballon d'Or. Guess who won it in 1999...

That is the REAL award. This is one reason why C Ronaldo should stay in England, he could easily go to Spain or Italy and win this award but it will be better achievement if he did in playing in England.

I'm assuming Dave Beckham finished 2nd?

Beckham finished 2nd in both awards.

What do Brazilian journalist think of C Ronaldo, does he get the column inches in Brazil? I know Anderson is now playing in Manchester thought if they were keeping tabs on him they may accidentally see Cristiano Ronaldo (or something )

Nummer 14 wrote:

sheva7 wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:

sheva7 wrote:You don't believe in the FIFA Award, but maybe you believe in the Ballon d'Or. Guess who won it in 1999...

That is the REAL award. This is one reason why C Ronaldo should stay in England, he could easily go to Spain or Italy and win this award but it will be better achievement if he did in playing in England.

I'm assuming Dave Beckham finished 2nd?

Beckham finished 2nd in both awards.

What do Brazilian journalist think of C Ronaldo, does he get the column inches in Brazil? I know Anderson is now playing in Manchester thought if they were keeping tabs on him they may accidentally see Cristiano Ronaldo (or something )

Every Man Utd match is shown live on TV. Pundits just can't stop praising him. And he deserves it. Some of them say that he is the best player in the world. Former football players praise him as well. He is really popular here. If they read something like "CR has limited technique and dribbling skills" they would certainly disagree.

I think Ronaldo has surprised me because i said that he would surely have a dip this season allthough i havent seen enough matches to see if he is actually performing or he is just scoring more. anyway i cant see him as the best player in the world until i see him shine against the big teams more. both against Liverpool and Arsenal i barely saw him allthough i didnt see him against chelsea. i said last season that he has alot of time and we shouldnt judge him too hard because he is still young but when some claim he is best then it has be back with great performances against the big teams aswell. so far i have though rooney has been more impressive in the big games.

It remains a tough call for some of us I see..